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Post by El Materdor43 on Jun 21, 2016 18:22:36 GMT
For those of you who live in England, I would like to know what the attitude of the folks there concerning the upcoming EU referendum. I realize this may be a hot button topic but I'm genuinely interested in it.
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Post by No.1 Scandal fan on Jun 21, 2016 18:44:25 GMT
Correction "For those of you who live in the UK*" What do you mean by that attitude of us though? I've already voted mind you. Also I'll keep any eye on this topic so it doesn't go up in flames. As much as I can anyway.
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Post by El Materdor43 on Jun 21, 2016 18:57:35 GMT
Thanks for the correction!! Is a majority for staying with the EU? I guess that's what I'm trying to ask and failing epically.
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Post by No.1 Scandal fan on Jun 21, 2016 19:01:56 GMT
Thanks for the correction!! Is a majority for staying with the EU? I guess that's what I'm trying to ask and failing epically. Depends who you ask. I haven't actually bothered looking at the polls myself so I don't really know. Although I can say that among the people I know the vast majority are for leaving. Last I heard on the news a week or so ago though is that the majority of people are actually in the remain camp. So it's anyone's guess really ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by El Materdor43 on Jun 21, 2016 19:14:04 GMT
Oddly enough, I just heard some polling numbers. Cod, correct me if I'm calling the factions by the wrong name but the "In" group is at 45% and the "Out" group is at 44%. I just heard that from Reuters, I think.
Does it it benefit the UK to stay in?
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Post by No.1 Scandal fan on Jun 21, 2016 19:32:39 GMT
In and out are right i think.
And as far as I'm concerned there are both benefits and negatives for being in it and out of it. For me it was a vote on my own principles, for better or for worse.
Quite frankly there is so much misinformation and scare-mongering out there on both sides of the EU referendum that 99.9% of people don't have a hope in hell of making an accurate decision on it anyway.
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Post by El Materdor43 on Jun 21, 2016 20:46:46 GMT
Cod Does the EU have a lot of influence in the domestic policies of the U.K.? Such as economic policies, social policies and the like? For example, do the EU say that the banks there are required to loan money to anyone who applies? That's a rather extreme example but again, I'm just a Colonist who is curious
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Post by No.1 Scandal fan on Jun 21, 2016 21:31:21 GMT
Hmmm not as far as I know, but I could be wrong. The EU certainly puts in place laws an regulations that affect how businesses and industries work and operate though. There are also European standards that products need to meet to be sold/used in the EU. The latter is a good thing imo though, can't really see away to be negative about it.
I think the EU can influence our lawmaking though externally. Then again one could say that any nation could influence the lawmaking of another externally regardless of whether it's part of the EU or not. There is also European courts which are capable of overruling British courts though, don't think that affects lawmaking but it can certainly affect the rulings made by our courts. For example there was a massive fiasco about deporting terror suspects that went on for years.
So yeah. Take everything I say with a pinch of salt as well, I'm no expert on the subject and certainly don't claim to be.
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Jun 21, 2016 22:59:43 GMT
Looking at it right now, it doesn't look like either has the upper hand, both have convincing arguments, but the leave campaign does seem to have more prominent support with people having signs in their gardens and that kind of stuff. I haven't a got a clue which way I'd vote.
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Post by I AM The Scouting Authority. on Jun 22, 2016 0:10:05 GMT
For what its worth, the best descriptions/comparisons are:
The Leave Campaign is being run by people on a par with Donald Trump. Mostly well educated but poor thinkers and a PR nightmare predominantly preying on the fears of the ill educated and state funded to get votes.
The Remain campaign is headed by the elite so very much like Hillary Clinton. They are backed by the social, financial and commercial elite. Nationally and Internationally with as you'd expect a few exceptions, mostly those whose business or funding is higher outside the EU. They have been preying on those who are educated enough to do the research into the Leave/Remain arguments but not educated enough to analyse that research.
The Rich will predominantly vote Remain as th EU almost ensures (wouldnt be surprised to find it also insures) their funds and continuing lifestyle.
The Middle Class will be split about as they are with a 45/45/10 split on Leave/Remain/Undecided.
The Poor, including the long term unemployed (also to be noted they are mostly xenophobic and racist claiming foreigners come over here taking their jobs but have never held down a job longer thsn its probation period) will mostly vote Leave in the vain hope the money we pay into the EU msy be redistributed to them as they have been led to believe.
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Post by did 1 kill you on Jun 22, 2016 0:43:03 GMT
I registered and voted stay. I have a British passport UK is still one of the strongest growing economies in the world and is estimated to pass Germany in the next 20 years. Immigration from non-EU countries is more than from EU. If this really is a problem then UK can change it if we are in EU as the EU member states have full control with regards this. Britains heavy industry will not come back if we leave the EU. This is due to many factors but the main ones are; high cost; no empire to force them to buy our goods; world economics. Farming and fishing. Outside of Wales who has ever met a poor farmer or fisherman? Protected industries within the EU are good for them - chances are outside the EU prices will rise, people will suffer. We are European. Collectively strong and relatively powerful. Britaims 19th century tactics of disrupting European politics to ensure they remained dominant has no place now. Remember it ended in WWI which ultimately led to WWII and effectively destroyed the empire. People think that leaving will somehow improve their lives. I am sure it will for some but sadly most people won't notice the difference, good or bad. The question is down the line what will be impact. Why Brexit if it isn't broken.
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Post by El Materdor43 on Jun 22, 2016 2:34:18 GMT
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Jun 22, 2016 9:05:28 GMT
To be honest, putting in the frankest terms possible, I think that American politicians and businessmen should stay the hell out of it.
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Post by El Materdor43 on Jun 22, 2016 13:33:16 GMT
To be honest, putting in the frankest terms possible, I think that American politicians and businessmen should stay the hell out of it. I don't remember how long ago he did it but Obama gave a speech that was basically a lecture telling the UK how dumb they would be to leave the EU. Soros is Brazialian. He is a One World government supporter.
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Jun 22, 2016 14:02:25 GMT
Soros isn't Brazilian is he? I thought he was a Hungarian-American? Is there a different Soros?
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Post by El Materdor43 on Jun 22, 2016 15:51:56 GMT
You are correct, Soros is Hungarian. He used to be the principal owner in Petrobas, a Brazilian-based oil company. My mistake. However he funds organizations that work towards a centralized world government. That alone makes me wary of his motives.
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Post by No.1 Scandal fan on Jun 22, 2016 19:55:06 GMT
For what its worth, the best descriptions/comparisons are: The Leave Campaign is being run by people on a par with Donald Trump. Mostly well educated but poor thinkers and a PR nightmare predominantly preying on the fears of the ill educated and state funded to get votes. The Remain campaign is headed by the elite so very much like Hillary Clinton. They are backed by the social, financial and commercial elite. Nationally and Internationally with as you'd expect a few exceptions, mostly those whose business or funding is higher outside the EU. They have been preying on those who are educated enough to do the research into the Leave/Remain arguments but not educated enough to analyse that research. The Rich will predominantly vote Remain as th EU almost ensures (wouldnt be surprised to find it also insures) their funds and continuing lifestyle. The Middle Class will be split about as they are with a 45/45/10 split on Leave/Remain/Undecided. The Poor, including the long term unemployed (also to be noted they are mostly xenophobic and racist claiming foreigners come over here taking their jobs but have never held down a job longer thsn its probation period) will mostly vote Leave in the vain hope the money we pay into the EU msy be redistributed to them as they have been led to believe. Bias post is bias, just sayin'
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Post by I AM The Scouting Authority. on Jun 22, 2016 20:06:31 GMT
For what its worth, the best descriptions/comparisons are: The Leave Campaign is being run by people on a par with Donald Trump. Mostly well educated but poor thinkers and a PR nightmare predominantly preying on the fears of the ill educated and state funded to get votes. The Remain campaign is headed by the elite so very much like Hillary Clinton. They are backed by the social, financial and commercial elite. Nationally and Internationally with as you'd expect a few exceptions, mostly those whose business or funding is higher outside the EU. They have been preying on those who are educated enough to do the research into the Leave/Remain arguments but not educated enough to analyse that research. The Rich will predominantly vote Remain as th EU almost ensures (wouldnt be surprised to find it also insures) their funds and continuing lifestyle. The Middle Class will be split about as they are with a 45/45/10 split on Leave/Remain/Undecided. The Poor, including the long term unemployed (also to be noted they are mostly xenophobic and racist claiming foreigners come over here taking their jobs but have never held down a job longer thsn its probation period) will mostly vote Leave in the vain hope the money we pay into the EU msy be redistributed to them as they have been led to believe. Bias post is bias, just sayin' Only bias I have is Anti-Gove. My wife is a Secondary Teacher. He is a plague on whatever they let him loose on. He was a joke as Education Secretary. He has almost crippled this countries educational system by recruiting Teachers from outside of the profession and allowing them to bypass the PGCE, by allowing the unregulated creation of free schools and acadamies, by allowing Universities to set their own fees after the Tories promised to abolish them and by allowing religiously segregated schools. And theres the time he was caught out lying about schools he'd visited as the Reporter who asked him about them made them up. Hes a dangerously stupid man. And I wouldnt trust him. Farage and BoJo are just dumb.
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Post by No.1 Scandal fan on Jun 22, 2016 20:17:02 GMT
Bias post is bias, just sayin' Only bias I have is Anti-Gove. My wife is a Secondary Teacher. He is a plague on whatever they let him loose on. He was a joke as Education Secretary. He has almost crippled this countries educational system by recruiting Teachers from outside of the profession and allowing them to bypass the PGCE, by allowing the unregulated creation of free schools and acadamies, by allowing Universities to set their own fees after the Tories promised to abolish them and by allowing religiously segregated schools. And theres the time he was caught out lying about schools he'd visited as the Reporter who asked him about them made them up. Hes a dangerously stupid man. And I wouldnt trust him. Farage and BoJo are just dumb. Just keep it as impartial as you can for the good of the thread. For example saying "Farage and BoJo are just dumb" isn't critical, or constructive.
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Post by I AM The Scouting Authority. on Jun 22, 2016 20:29:18 GMT
Only bias I have is Anti-Gove. My wife is a Secondary Teacher. He is a plague on whatever they let him loose on. He was a joke as Education Secretary. He has almost crippled this countries educational system by recruiting Teachers from outside of the profession and allowing them to bypass the PGCE, by allowing the unregulated creation of free schools and acadamies, by allowing Universities to set their own fees after the Tories promised to abolish them and by allowing religiously segregated schools. And theres the time he was caught out lying about schools he'd visited as the Reporter who asked him about them made them up. Hes a dangerously stupid man. And I wouldnt trust him. Farage and BoJo are just dumb. Just keep it as impartial as you can for the good of the thread. For example saying "Farage and BoJo are just dumb" isn't critical, or constructive. Dumb may be the wrong word. To be fair they are both highly intelligent but appear to be lacking either the common sense or ability to use that intelligence properly. Altho some days I wonder if they arent both victims of some PR Officer trying to make a name for themselves
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