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Post by R35T NO MORE on May 23, 2019 19:48:22 GMT
Wot is doing my head in. Feel like I'm getting constantly shafted by RNG at the moment and it just isnt being fun. Not a real life issue but needed to vent anyway.
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Post by test777777 on May 24, 2019 10:01:04 GMT
Maybe it shouldn't bother me, but I don't like it when people find out I have faith and immediately seem to treat me differently than they would others. It feels like they're afraid of ruining me or that I don't make mistakes or that I'd be easily offended. I could be offended by something everyday if I wanted to be. I have a lot of flaws so I wouldn't be ruined more than I am already. I get some crazy reactions when people realise I'm a freemason. People just don't know how to deal with it. It's like people's faith, 9/10 it does not matter to normal day interactions I don't know a great deal about freemasonry but I knew a bloke who expressed his great relief after telling me that he was too and all it did was bring out the curiosity in me. He relayed a story of when he was entertaining with his wife and the guests got up and left and wanted nothing to do with him when he told them. Same when people come out of the closet and feel the need to disclose their sexual preference. I sort of understand the need to do that for them and I know it can seriously break relationships but I don't understand why people seem so hung up on other peoples sexuality or their own or how knowledge can change a relationship to that degree. To me, I don't tend to think about people or categorise them by their sexual preferences. It just seems absurd for me to think of people that way. I was picked on a bit for not supporting gay marriage when there was a plebicide and accused of hating and bigotry. For me it was about the definition of marriage and the principles behind it and how it ties in with my faith not about the secular rights associated with it. It's weird how this stuff divides people so....
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Post by test777777 on May 24, 2019 10:10:50 GMT
Wot is doing my head in. Feel like I'm getting constantly shafted by RNG at the moment and it just isnt being fun. Not a real life issue but needed to vent anyway. I think I have about 400 days and 12000 gold on my account. I haven't launched it this month. No plan on going back anytime soon. For me it was lack of seeing a relationship between effort and result over an extended period of time. There were too many unknown variables present influencing my results, but effort didn't seem to be one of them. It sort of lost it's purpose for me. I still love the concept mind you and the models.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 20:50:20 GMT
This is totally bugging me. It's so annoying to ask people to play video games and just not get a response. I get it. Not everyone is going to want to play a game with me or may be busy at the time and can't respond right away. I can understand ignoring requests from people you don't know. But if I'm not spamming party or game invites and just asking, why not just say no? It's an easy two letter word to type. Why even have people as friends on console if you can't answer them?
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Post by defiantspurr on Jun 10, 2019 20:55:05 GMT
This is totally bugging me. It's so annoying to ask people to play video games and just not get a response. I get it. Not everyone is going to want to play a game with me or may be busy at the time and can't respond right away. I can understand ignoring requests from people you don't know. But if I'm not spamming party or game invites and just asking, why not just say no? It's an easy two letter word to type. Why even have people as friends on console if you can't answer them? if you see me in a multiplayer game that we both play, feel free to spam me. Most of the time though my console is being used for music/tv at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 21:19:54 GMT
This is totally bugging me. It's so annoying to ask people to play video games and just not get a response. I get it. Not everyone is going to want to play a game with me or may be busy at the time and can't respond right away. I can understand ignoring requests from people you don't know. But if I'm not spamming party or game invites and just asking, why not just say no? It's an easy two letter word to type. Why even have people as friends on console if you can't answer them? if you see me in a multiplayer game that we both play, feel free to spam me. Most of the time though my console is being used for music/tv at the moment. Well, thanks. But I'll still probably just ask instead of spamming. Lol.
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Post by Dyslexsticks on Jun 15, 2019 12:06:28 GMT
EDIT: I voiced my concerns about being a bit quiet while thanking the host for the invite with the group, but was told by the host that I was doing great, I just wish I wasn't as quiet.
Perhaps I have some deep rooted paranoia issues I need to look into. If you caught this, please excuse me.
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Post by test777777 on Jun 20, 2019 9:24:47 GMT
This is totally bugging me. It's so annoying to ask people to play video games and just not get a response. I get it. Not everyone is going to want to play a game with me or may be busy at the time and can't respond right away. I can understand ignoring requests from people you don't know. But if I'm not spamming party or game invites and just asking, why not just say no? It's an easy two letter word to type. Why even have people as friends on console if you can't answer them? My console is on by default 24/7 but between work, homelife and sleep i'm often not there. While I don't think I've not responded, I know the timeliness of my responses on occasion have been hours after message was sent. Please understand it is not my intention to offend you or cause any you any stress but you are right, it is unfair on others to seem available but not be so I will cull the friends list following this message.
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Post by test777777 on Jul 25, 2019 6:20:44 GMT
I'd like to talk about the concept of minority phobias or whatever the term is. I'm not sure if it's a rant or not but it will be a bit long winded - I'm a bit frustrated by the negative connotations, we're all a bit minority phobic, it's part of the Human condition. We like what we like, trust what we know,embrace what we like and reject what we don't and tend to have varying prejudices.
It's a touchy subject. According to the definition of Racism, it involves a racial superiority complex. I don't have that but i'm intollerent toward a lot of foreign culture being overtly shoved in my face.
I don't really know what homophobia is or cisgenderphobia or even what LGBTIA+ is all about or why people feel the need to promote it. Specifically in regard to Homophobia , I don't like camp accents and feel more uncomfortable with displays of affection between partners of the same sex or expressions of sexual liberation in the many forms that some feel the need to express it. That's not the entire Gay community though. Sexual identities, why would I care? Some people have partners, some don't. I've socialised with all sorts of people with no doubt all sorts of sexual identities and fetishes but someone elses sexual identity is somewhat irrelevent to me. I'm not a fan of Oxford/Cambridge/finishing school Toff accents either or displays of intimacy between hetro couples although I find those displays slightly less confronting but still confronting but I'm not considered a hetrophobe, just a homophobe. I don't support gay marriage but ok with changing the term of Marriage to something else for all sexual identities including hetrosexuals. I'm not scared or hateful or inclined to bully or avoid homosexuals. I've had various relationships with those who have identified as homosexual, plenty of relationships with people who I've given no thought to their sexual identities also. Here's a bit of a story. Prior to being married back in the mid 90s, I did have a bloke I worked with ask me if I was single and if I was Gay, he was interested and he thought I may have been. He felt rather embarrassed after, I felt sorry for him because my response was no doubt disappointing, especially after plucking up the courage to ask me in the first place, well that's how I would have felt in his shoes if I was knocked back by a girl. Oddly he'd even checked in with a female colleague first and both thought I may have been Gay. No idea what signals I was sending to suggest I was gay but I may have thought about it but it doesn't really matter.
I used to socialise a bit with work colleagues after hours since I lived in the CBD pretty close to where we worked and was out on the town with this guy who admittedly liked to wear a bit of makeup after hours, which was a bit weird to me but whatever anyway, we were sitting at a table in a pub, minding our own business and a confrontation occurred with some assholes who were paying out on him, snide remarks and all that, even involving me. Normally I run away from confrontation or I'd be reluctantly behind someone but more than prepared to sort out if they needed it. This time though, I'd had a bit to drink so ended up approaching these guys and letting them know very strongly that they might wish to reconsider their antagonistic approach. I don't believe that their stance that I was partered with this fella had anything to do with why I was a bit riled. I felt like my mate was being harassed by a couple of loudmouth bullies and it was starting to piss me off.
Thankfully for me, they weren't prepared to take it to the next level although they started making loud comments when we left which I ignored. The reason for this story is that my stance has nothing to do with how I feel/felt in regard to sexually identities. Sticking up for the bloke I was with should not be confused with me being pro Gay but I don't consider sexual identity to be up there on the list of reasons I might be inclined to socialise with people or up there with the reasons as to where my sense of justice is. This bloke eventually found someone and he was a raving lovestruck loony for a few weeks but I think I departed the organisation soon after. I'm still a homophobe because of I don't support Gay marriage.
Anyway I wrestle with the idea that I'm a Homophobe and a Racist or rather that i'm a nasty piece of work because I am those things. While we're at it, I werestle with the concept that I may well have had or have peadophelic tendancies too since I've found myself noticing High school Seniors before.
To the Racist part.
Where I live and work it's fairly multicultural but I wish it was more like Borg culture ie, assimilating aspects of foreign culture but rejecting the parts which conflict with my values. The issue with multiculturalism is that some cultures start to dominate and become more prevalent at the expense of others. Australian culture traditionally is fairly passive and laid back, except when sport is involved or our national pride is challeneged, but I don't know who we are any more because other cultures are eroding mine from within my home country.
I definitely have cultural prejudices in relation to what culture I enjoy and what culture I don't enjoy especially when it comes to impacting my traditional culture and my sense of identity/Who I am or my perception of Australias people's identity. There's a bit of that going on in Public spaces now in Perth. I don't hate foreign culture so much but I tire of having it forced upon me. The big one and most frustrating is public etiquette and I notice this on the Commute, to and from work.
Every day I seem to have my peaceful relaxed headspace shattered by a few people who seem to like talking very loudly on their mobile phone in foreign tongues, sometimes on speakerphone or have some stinky foreign food that they just chow down on slurping loudly, Then there's sick people sniffling and snorting and coughing or someone deciding they don't need to use headphones when they listen to their foreign language facebook videos or news broadcast or whatever it is. Then there's those who have thrash metal music or pop music blaring but admittedly, they tend to be just rebellious kids who think that's cool. My shit filters have developed over the years to filter out background "Australian cultural norm background noises" They don't work for this foreign stuff and I don't know how to deal with this foreign cultural noise that is so abrasive. An unfortunate side affect is that the offenders all seem to have particular physical traits about them and I'm bothered that I'm starting to form stereotypes.
I have ADHD and have traditionally used commute time to relax and read a book or just chill. With these distractions, I can't do that anymore and it's impacting how I arrive at the other end. It's much worse late in the day when tired, my tolerance drops and I become increasingly feeling like i'm trapped. Whatever happened to "when in Rome, do as Romans do" is that a foreign concept in most parts of the world? I feel like my way of life is being eroded by minorities and foreign culture is being forced down my throat impacting my traditional and home culture and environment. It's really bothering me.
There has always been disruptive kids and certain rebellious loudmouths but this is different and it's becoming increasingly more prevalent. While we're on the subject of racism and stereotypes. Why is it that I've seen groups of dark skinned people blaring rap music but don't notice different ethnic groups doing that? I don't like loud music but loud angry rap music when i'm trying to relax - hate that and not a fan of those inconsiderate folks that do either. I try and sit or stand or move carriages when such groups are around. Passive racism they call it. Sadly for me since they seem to be dark skinned, it's just another way I'm labelled as racist. I so miss the goog old days.....
Ok enough of a rant/vent from me.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 7:38:54 GMT
On some of what you're saying, I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic. You call yourself homophobe and racist. Are you saying that because others have called you that or because you believe it to be true? I don't understand why you're using sexuality and racism together to talk about the race issue. They're two different things.
There's a lot of racism deeply rooted in my family and I think I was brought up with some of that. I had stereotypes about different races. I went to several schools where there was like one black person enrolled. Later on, I ended up going to a high school that was very multicultural. I'm appreciative for that because it changed my whole view.
I get how some things can be annoyances, but really if you always find it annoying to hear someone talking in a foreign language, you need to confront yourself about it. Feeling annoyed is a milder version of anger. It's like you feel that someone is intruding on your space and you're finding fault with them about it for something they didn't do wrong. You think you have the right to feel that way. Kind of like 'I'm better than you'. But your perception of them is wrong.
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Post by Dyslexsticks on Jul 25, 2019 8:52:32 GMT
I'd like to talk about the concept of minority phobias or whatever the term is. I'm not sure if it's a rant or not but it will be a bit long winded - I'm a bit frustrated by the negative connotations, we're all a bit minority phobic, it's part of the Human condition. We like what we like, trust what we know,embrace what we like and reject what we don't and tend to have varying prejudices. Are you sure we can describe everyone as being a bit minority "phobic"? We might have certain things we feel when we see something different, but to have a phobia of something is to fear it, is it not? Not everyone fears things they don't understand, and for some of us, we're actually pretty curious! Never felt scared of different races or cultures here personally.It's a touchy subject. According to the definition of Racism, it involves a racial superiority complex. I don't have that but i'm intollerent toward a lot of foreign culture being overtly shoved in my face. I don't really know what homophobia is or cisgenderphobia or even what LGBTIA+ is all about or why people feel the need to promote it. To be fair, a lot of the promotion of LGBTIA+ I see happens a lot during pride month, which is fine, because it gives a more socially oppressed group a chance to feel, well, proud of what they are. A lot of heterosexuals haven't needed to do any of this because they're already the norm in society.Specifically in regard to Homophobia , I don't like camp accents and feel more uncomfortable with displays of affection between partners of the same sex or expressions of sexual liberation in the many forms that some feel the need to express it. That's not the entire Gay community though. No you're right it isn't, there's a good portion who don't feel comfortable with displaying their affection entirely as well as those who are. I didn't understand how or why camp accents were a thing for a while, and just were put on, "on purpose" but eventually you stop caring about that. Sometimes we're just simply wired differently. A person might sound different if they're more comfortable and confident with what they are, don't you think?Sexual identities, why would I care? Some people have partners, some don't. I've socialised with all sorts of people with no doubt all sorts of sexual identities and fetishes but someone elses sexual identity is somewhat irrelevent to me. I'm not a fan of Oxford/Cambridge/finishing school Toff accents either or displays of intimacy between hetro couples although I find those displays slightly less confronting but still confronting but I'm not considered a hetrophobe, just a homophobe. I don't support gay marriage but ok with changing the term of Marriage to something else for all sexual identities including hetrosexuals. Is the stance against gay marriage to do with religious reasons? Or more personal ones? I don't entirely understand why one would be against it. I'm not scared or hateful or inclined to bully or avoid homosexuals. I've had various relationships with those who have identified as homosexual, plenty of relationships with people who I've given no thought to their sexual identities also. But if you're not scared of homosexuals, what was with the comment of yourself being a homophobe earlier for? It's good to see that you're not inclined to bully people on things that can't be changed, at least in this regard.Here's a bit of a story. Prior to being married back in the mid 90s, I did have a bloke I worked with ask me if I was single and if I was Gay, he was interested and he thought I may have been. He felt rather embarrassed after, I felt sorry for him because my response was no doubt disappointing, especially after plucking up the courage to ask me in the first place, well that's how I would have felt in his shoes if I was knocked back by a girl. Oddly he'd even checked in with a female colleague first and both thought I may have been Gay. No idea what signals I was sending to suggest I was gay but I may have thought about it but it doesn't really matter. I used to socialise a bit with work colleagues after hours since I lived in the CBD pretty close to where we worked and was out on the town with this guy who admittedly liked to wear a bit of makeup after hours, which was a bit weird to me but whatever anyway, we were sitting at a table in a pub, minding our own business and a confrontation occurred with some assholes who were paying out on him, snide remarks and all that, even involving me. Normally I run away from confrontation or I'd be reluctantly behind someone but more than prepared to sort out if they needed it. This time though, I'd had a bit to drink so ended up approaching these guys and letting them know very strongly that they might wish to reconsider their antagonistic approach. I don't believe that their stance that I was partered with this fella had anything to do with why I was a bit riled. I felt like my mate was being harassed by a couple of loudmouth bullies and it was starting to piss me off. Sounds like the typical bully tactic in middle school where they infer you have romantic feelings for whoever you're defending. I can't imagine the overall tolerance for gays was very high in the mid 90's so this isn't too surprising.Thankfully for me, they weren't prepared to take it to the next level although they started making loud comments when we left which I ignored. The reason for this story is that my stance has nothing to do with how I feel/felt in regard to sexually identities. Sticking up for the bloke I was with should not be confused with me being pro Gay but I don't consider sexual identity to be up there on the list of reasons I might be inclined to socialise with people or up there with the reasons as to where my sense of justice is. This bloke eventually found someone and he was a raving lovestruck loony for a few weeks but I think I departed the organisation soon after. I'm still a homophobe because of I don't support Gay marriage. That in blue is fair, it doesn't have to have anything to do with whether or not you can be friends with someone, although I can understand leaving the organisation to avoid drama, just not on the grounds of avoiding run ins with gay people entirely. They just exist, probably more in other areas who are more closeted, who knows, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to avoid work on those grounds, not saying you are.Anyway I wrestle with the idea that I'm a Homophobe and a Racist or rather that i'm a nasty piece of work because I am those things. While we're at it, I werestle with the concept that I may well have had or have peadophelic tendancies too since I've found myself noticing High school Seniors before. To the Racist part. Where I live and work it's fairly multicultural but I wish it was more like Borg culture ie, assimilating aspects of foreign culture but rejecting the parts which conflict with my values. The issue with multiculturalism is that some cultures start to dominate and become more prevalent at the expense of others. Australian culture traditionally is fairly passive and laid back, except when sport is involved or our national pride is challeneged, but I don't know who we are any more because other cultures are eroding mine from within my home country. I definitely have cultural prejudices in relation to what culture I enjoy and what culture I don't enjoy especially when it comes to impacting my traditional culture and my sense of identity/Who I am or my perception of Australias people's identity. There's a bit of that going on in Public spaces now in Perth. I don't hate foreign culture so much but I tire of having it forced upon me. Would be interested if you could elaborate on how said public spaces are forcing said culture onto you. Do they have foreign food restaurants? Different cultural events? The big one and most frustrating is public etiquette and I notice this on the Commute, to and from work. Every day I seem to have my peaceful relaxed headspace shattered by a few people who seem to like talking very loudly on their mobile phone in foreign tongues, sometimes on speakerphone or have some stinky foreign food that they just chow down on slurping loudly, Then there's sick people sniffling and snorting and coughing or someone deciding they don't need to use headphones when they listen to their foreign language facebook videos or news broadcast or whatever it is. Then there's those who have thrash metal music or pop music blaring but admittedly, they tend to be just rebellious kids who think that's cool. Now see, I don't know if manners are the same in other countries as they are with yours, ours, or the united states, but I'd like to think, judging by some of the better foreign people that I have met in my time, that this is more just current ignorance of what manners are, or just the trait of being an ass, which is common to all of us. My shit filters have developed over the years to filter out background "Australian cultural norm background noises" They don't work for this foreign stuff and I don't know how to deal with this foreign cultural noise that is so abrasive. An unfortunate side affect is that the offenders all seem to have particular physical traits about them and I'm bothered that I'm starting to form stereotypes. I mean, some just do, but at the same time, they might not necessarily, different parents would net different results in appearance in a person right? Along with any activity they might partake in.I have ADHD and have traditionally used commute time to relax and read a book or just chill. With these distractions, I can't do that anymore and it's impacting how I arrive at the other end. It's much worse late in the day when tired, my tolerance drops and I become increasingly feeling like i'm trapped. Whatever happened to "when in Rome, do as Romans do" is that a foreign concept in most parts of the world? This is fair, as I've heard that when we visit other countries, we're told to respect certain traditions, manners or at least have slight knowledge of their language. To be fair, most people, at least foreigners that are in our country at least, have done pretty well on being decent people, although I do speak as one that surfs the web and listens to music when travelling. To get absolutely everyone to respect rules of each other's countries is a very uphill battle in language barriers and such, as I'm sure you can understand.I feel like my way of life is being eroded by minorities and foreign culture is being forced down my throat impacting my traditional and home culture and environment. It's really bothering me. There has always been disruptive kids and certain rebellious loudmouths but this is different and it's becoming increasingly more prevalent. While we're on the subject of racism and stereotypes. Why is it that I've seen groups of dark skinned people blaring rap music but don't notice different ethnic groups doing that? I don't like loud music but loud angry rap music when i'm trying to relax - hate that and not a fan of those inconsiderate folks that do either. I try and sit or stand or move carriages when such groups are around. Passive racism they call it. Sadly for me since they seem to be dark skinned, it's just another way I'm labelled as racist. I so miss the goog old days..... To be fair, noticing a disturbance in the public and disliking it isn't really racist at all. In the UK, we have people doing that on bluetooth speakers while riding bicycles, so they're all the more mobile...they however aren't coloured, so I fail to see how that has to do with anything.Ok enough of a rant/vent from me.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 9:12:39 GMT
I wanted to add something else. I re-read your post because the first time, I skipped over most of the last couple of paragraphs. It does sound like it's bothering you to feel this way, but yet you do.
The way I view it is that this world does not belong to just one culture or race. I did think of an example that's closely related to what you're talking about though. That is the influence the Greek/Roman culture has had on the world. It has had both good and bad influences. I think if I lived back during the era of the Roman Caesars, I'd certainly struggle--just as I do with some things in our modern day.
It sounds like most of the things you've brought up (food, music, etc) are just your personal preferences rather than things that would truly have a negative effect. You feeling this way about people because of the color of their skin or their language--is negative.
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Post by test777777 on Jul 25, 2019 10:20:58 GMT
On some of what you're saying, I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic. You call yourself homophobe and racist. Are you saying that because others have called you that or because you believe it to be true? I don't understand why you're using sexuality and racism together to talk about the race issue. They're two different things. There's a lot of racism deeply rooted in my family and I think I was brought up with some of that. I had stereotypes about different races. I went to several schools where there was like one black person enrolled. Later on, I ended up going to a high school that was very multicultural. I'm appreciative for that because it changed my whole view. I get how some things can be annoyances, but really if you always find it annoying to hear someone talking in a foreign language, you need to confront yourself about it. Feeling annoyed is a milder version of anger. It's like you feel that someone is intruding on your space and you're finding fault with them about it for something they didn't do wrong. You think you have the right to feel that way. Kind of like 'I'm better than you'. But your perception of them is wrong. I'm a bit cynical about the labels - there's such broad spectrums within the labels but there's a very negative connotation associated with all of them. If I look at music Genre's. I don't like Rap music and I'm generally not a fan of the sounds out of India or the middle east or China, nor do I like hip hop at least for the most part. These styles of music happen to be cultural derived and there are strong associations ethnicity and race. The same can be said about other cultural norms, behaviours and systems of etiquette or accepted behaviours. I question if I'm racist because there are aspects of a foreign culture that I find objectionable and in some cases offensive. With the train ride, It's not that I feel someone is intruding on my space, they are actually doing so. I find fault because it is not socially polite behaviour within the culture that I am born and bred into and identify with or that their behaviour is intruding on. That's not to say there's rude people who are not foreign but generally people adopt a standard of behaviour or maybe that's just me who adopts the when in rome do as romans do creed. I don't take issue specifically with many foreign languages and there's plenty being spoken at ambient volumes in the same spaces but it takes more concentration for me to filter foreign sounds or smells and when the volumes are louder than ambient, it prevents me from doing what I want to do and they always seem to be loud when people are on a phone call or the smell of whatever the fruit or whatever it is that they eat is unfilterable it becomes pervasive and offensive. Those that eat KFC and Fish and Chips or Seafood - same deal, it's considered rude but at least it's smells that i'm used to so can filter. With the foreign stuff it's very pronounced, there's no escaping it, so much for relaxing, reading or experiencing a peaceful commute. The cultural norm of a relaxing commute is being destroyed by these foreign elements. This is my home, feeling the way I do is a reasonable response. Loud mobile phone calls in fairly intimate spaces like elevators or train carriages are not well received in many parts of the world. We have announcements and signs on trains here about etiquette, food and drink, entitled seating for the less able, students, stand for adults. Some people don't seem to care or don't seem to notice. Most do. Right and wrong is all relative. Their actions are invasive and pervasive to my space. To me they are invading my sensory space and are coming to my country and negatively impacting my experience here by behaving in a way that the local population considers rude and impolite and borders on offensive for me. I consider that wrong but that's my culture that's part of a majority shared value of my birth countries culture. It's different but certainly right in my country. Clearly other cultures don't agree and that's the problem with multiculturalism. Some cultural aspects of different cultures are mutually exclusive and when thrown into the same space, it creates conflict. I want people to feel welcome here and share in their culture but not at the expense of me being able to enjoy my home culture. I'm increasingly becoming culturally racist. ie not ethnically racist.
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Post by Snorelacks on Jul 25, 2019 13:42:39 GMT
On some of what you're saying, I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic. You call yourself homophobe and racist. Are you saying that because others have called you that or because you believe it to be true? I don't understand why you're using sexuality and racism together to talk about the race issue. They're two different things. There's a lot of racism deeply rooted in my family and I think I was brought up with some of that. I had stereotypes about different races. I went to several schools where there was like one black person enrolled. Later on, I ended up going to a high school that was very multicultural. I'm appreciative for that because it changed my whole view. I get how some things can be annoyances, but really if you always find it annoying to hear someone talking in a foreign language, you need to confront yourself about it. Feeling annoyed is a milder version of anger. It's like you feel that someone is intruding on your space and you're finding fault with them about it for something they didn't do wrong. You think you have the right to feel that way. Kind of like 'I'm better than you'. But your perception of them is wrong. I'm a bit cynical about the labels - there's such broad spectrums within the labels but there's a very negative connotation associated with all of them. If I look at music Genre's. I don't like Rap music and I'm generally not a fan of the sounds out of India or the middle east or China, nor do I like hip hop at least for the most part. These styles of music happen to be cultural derived and there are strong associations ethnicity and race. The same can be said about other cultural norms, behaviours and systems of etiquette or accepted behaviours. I question if I'm racist because there are aspects of a foreign culture that I find objectionable and in some cases offensive. With the train ride, It's not that I feel someone is intruding on my space, they are actually doing so. I find fault because it is not socially polite behaviour within the culture that I am born and bred into and identify with or that their behaviour is intruding on. That's not to say there's rude people who are not foreign but generally people adopt a standard of behaviour or maybe that's just me who adopts the when in rome do as romans do creed. I don't take issue specifically with many foreign languages and there's plenty being spoken at ambient volumes in the same spaces but it takes more concentration for me to filter foreign sounds or smells and when the volumes are louder than ambient, it prevents me from doing what I want to do and they always seem to be loud when people are on a phone call or the smell of whatever the fruit or whatever it is that they eat is unfilterable it becomes pervasive and offensive. Those that eat KFC and Fish and Chips or Seafood - same deal, it's considered rude but at least it's smells that i'm used to so can filter. With the foreign stuff it's very pronounced, there's no escaping it, so much for relaxing, reading or experiencing a peaceful commute. The cultural norm of a relaxing commute is being destroyed by these foreign elements. This is my home, feeling the way I do is a reasonable response. Loud mobile phone calls in fairly intimate spaces like elevators or train carriages are not well received in many parts of the world. We have announcements and signs on trains here about etiquette, food and drink, entitled seating for the less able, students, stand for adults. Some people don't seem to care or don't seem to notice. Most do. Right and wrong is all relative. Their actions are invasive and pervasive to my space. To me they are invading my sensory space and are coming to my country and negatively impacting my experience here by behaving in a way that the local population considers rude and impolite and borders on offensive for me. I consider that wrong but that's my culture that's part of a majority shared value of my birth countries culture. It's different but certainly right in my country. Clearly other cultures don't agree and that's the problem with multiculturalism. Some cultural aspects of different cultures are mutually exclusive and when thrown into the same space, it creates conflict. I want people to feel welcome here and share in their culture but not at the expense of me being able to enjoy my home culture. I'm increasingly becoming culturally racist. ie not ethnically racist.
Wow, a whole lot to take in on the last few posts. I'll keep my comments brief even though the topics are complex.
Controlled legal immigration is net positive and most countries are made stronger when it is done properly. That said, I think multiculturalism is a failed experiment. There is nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage, culture or ancestry; however, when a person emigrates to a new country due to economic, religious persecutorial, or gender reasons it is not their right to demand/expect equal treatment or host country adoption of their former country's practices. It simply erodes the fabric of their new host country, e.g. why is it even a thing for Muslims in Germany to demand an end to Munich's Oktoberfest? The issue is assimilation, it used to be the norm that new immigrants would assimilate to their new country, speak the native language in public, in school, accept the social norms of their new society, etc. Unfortunately, that isn't always the case anymore. It's not uncommon in my travels to visit public spaces or parts of entire cities where my native English is the foreign language. Areas of Europe are an even better example of this.
I fully understand that it's critical to open, inviting and tolerant. However, I do believe there has to be a limit on what a country/culture must accept as normal in order to preserve the fabric of what made it in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 14:56:25 GMT
Snore, what you're talking about with assimilation is why I brought up the Greeks and Romans--if that wasn't apparent. When Alexander the Great took over the world, it caused other cultures to have to assimilate. We still see the effect they left on shaping culture.
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Post by Snorelacks on Jul 25, 2019 17:15:42 GMT
Snore, what you're talking about with assimilation is why I brought up the Greeks and Romans--if that wasn't apparent. When Alexander the Great took over the world, it caused other cultures to have to assimilate. We still see the effect they left on shaping culture. It's one thing to impose your cultures and social mores on a people you conquer. It's a whole different kettle of fish when immigrants don't assimilate to the culture of the country they emigrate to and make demands or have expectations that their new country adopts their mores or changes the culture to accommodate them outside of normal laws and protections.
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Post by Shhhhh on Jul 26, 2019 0:24:43 GMT
Equality is a myth, you cannot grant rights to one without removing rights of another.
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Post by CatSnipah on Jul 26, 2019 1:55:02 GMT
People conveniently forget that America was founded on equal OPPORTUNITY, not equal outcomes.
The Founding Fathers anticipated snowflakes and trophy generation kids.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 4:42:11 GMT
Snore, what you're talking about with assimilation is why I brought up the Greeks and Romans--if that wasn't apparent. When Alexander the Great took over the world, it caused other cultures to have to assimilate. We still see the effect they left on shaping culture. It's one thing to impose your cultures and social mores on a people you conquer. It's a whole different kettle of fish when immigrants don't assimilate to the culture of the country they emigrate to and make demands or have expectations that their new country adopts their mores or changes the culture to accommodate them outside of normal laws and protections. Understandable. I was coming at it more from the view of the people who would've been conquered. I imagine they might have felt some of the ways Test talked about.
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Post by test777777 on Jul 26, 2019 10:48:12 GMT
I'd like to talk about the concept of minority phobias or whatever the term is. I'm not sure if it's a rant or not but it will be a bit long winded - I'm a bit frustrated by the negative connotations, we're all a bit minority phobic, it's part of the Human condition. We like what we like, trust what we know,embrace what we like and reject what we don't and tend to have varying prejudices. Are you sure we can describe everyone as being a bit minority "phobic"? We might have certain things we feel when we see something different, but to have a phobia of something is to fear it, is it not? Not everyone fears things they don't understand, and for some of us, we're actually pretty curious! Never felt scared of different races or cultures here personally. The word Homophobia no longer refers to an irrational fear, the word Hating no longer refers to extreme opposite of love. Those terms did once but they've been promoted to be used to refer to any dislike.
What I meant by everyone has some kind of minoric phobia is probably a bit of a generalisation, All of us find ourselves a majority in social circles, we like to have others re-enforce our beliefs and cultures and sense of identity and we tend to reciprocate. That culture might be considered a majority culture, a common identity. The butts of our jokes which are usually aimed at the foreign(outside of our immediate cultural circles) minority. Maybe it's aimed at the irish, maybe it's aimed at newbish tankers, maybe it's aimed at weebs and weeboos. For many humans, we fear what we don't understand and fear that our belief systems are false, we subconsciously defend our sense of belief, believing others to be wrong. When it comes to cultures of clashing ethics and morality, extremes do come out. People kill each other. It's a touchy subject. According to the definition of Racism, it involves a racial superiority complex. I don't have that but i'm intollerent toward a lot of foreign culture being overtly shoved in my face. I don't really know what homophobia is or cisgenderphobia or even what LGBTIA+ is all about or why people feel the need to promote it. To be fair, a lot of the promotion of LGBTIA+ I see happens a lot during pride month, which is fine, because it gives a more socially oppressed group a chance to feel, well, proud of what they are. A lot of heterosexuals haven't needed to do any of this because they're already the norm in society.The issue with pride is that it creates and reinforces stereotypes. Not sure if we have Pride month or not on this part of the world but there is a Gay Mardi Gras parade and the gay part gets mixed in with Fetish and promotion of promiscuous behaviour. That's just the sense that I get. It dilutes the message that homosexuals are just ordinary everyday folk just like hetrosexuals.
I would have this issue if it was Hetrosexual promotion of lack of sexual modesty . Specifically in regard to Homophobia , I don't like camp accents and feel more uncomfortable with displays of affection between partners of the same sex or expressions of sexual liberation in the many forms that some feel the need to express it. That's not the entire Gay community though. No you're right it isn't, there's a good portion who don't feel comfortable with displaying their affection entirely as well as those who are. I didn't understand how or why camp accents were a thing for a while, and just were put on, "on purpose" but eventually you stop caring about that. Sometimes we're just simply wired differently. A person might sound different if they're more comfortable and confident with what they are, don't you think?
People do tend to sound different depending on the identity they adopt - phone voice, talking to loved one voice, talking to best friend voice, talking to their mates down the pub voice, talking to their work colleagues voice etc. I don't really care whether the accent is just put on or not, I just don't care for the feminine/masculine voice thing. Some accents I find easy on the ear. My main point is that my dislike of said accent should not be interpreted as me having issue with Gay people. I frankly couldn't care what sexual identity one has. Sexual identities, why would I care? Some people have partners, some don't. I've socialised with all sorts of people with no doubt all sorts of sexual identities and fetishes but someone elses sexual identity is somewhat irrelevent to me. I'm not a fan of Oxford/Cambridge/finishing school Toff accents either or displays of intimacy between hetro couples although I find those displays slightly less confronting but still confronting but I'm not considered a hetrophobe, just a homophobe. I don't support gay marriage but ok with changing the term of Marriage to something else for all sexual identities including hetrosexuals. Is the stance against gay marriage to do with religious reasons? Or more personal ones? I don't entirely understand why one would be against it. Yes and no, it comes down to the definition of Marriage which for me is far more than the secular rights behind it. Marriage to me suggests a union where the males and females are able to procreate in a manner sanctified by God. Same sex couples are biologically incompatible for procreation. To some extent I don't really agree with secular marriage either but I support equality of secular rights afforded to people who are contractually bound through "marriage" regardless of their sexual identity. I'm not scared or hateful or inclined to bully or avoid homosexuals. I've had various relationships with those who have identified as homosexual, plenty of relationships with people who I've given no thought to their sexual identities also. But if you're not scared of homosexuals, what was with the comment of yourself being a homophobe earlier for? It's good to see that you're not inclined to bully people on things that can't be changed, at least in this regard.
Ah, that was essentially because homophobia no longer means irrational fear of homosexuals, it now relates to disapproval of homosexual sexual activity too. Here's a bit of a story. Prior to being married back in the mid 90s, I did have a bloke I worked with ask me if I was single and if I was Gay, he was interested and he thought I may have been. He felt rather embarrassed after, I felt sorry for him because my response was no doubt disappointing, especially after plucking up the courage to ask me in the first place, well that's how I would have felt in his shoes if I was knocked back by a girl. Oddly he'd even checked in with a female colleague first and both thought I may have been Gay. No idea what signals I was sending to suggest I was gay but I may have thought about it but it doesn't really matter. I used to socialise a bit with work colleagues after hours since I lived in the CBD pretty close to where we worked and was out on the town with this guy who admittedly liked to wear a bit of makeup after hours, which was a bit weird to me but whatever anyway, we were sitting at a table in a pub, minding our own business and a confrontation occurred with some assholes who were paying out on him, snide remarks and all that, even involving me. Normally I run away from confrontation or I'd be reluctantly behind someone but more than prepared to sort out if they needed it. This time though, I'd had a bit to drink so ended up approaching these guys and letting them know very strongly that they might wish to reconsider their antagonistic approach. I don't believe that their stance that I was partered with this fella had anything to do with why I was a bit riled. I felt like my mate was being harassed by a couple of loudmouth bullies and it was starting to piss me off. Sounds like the typical bully tactic in middle school where they infer you have romantic feelings for whoever you're defending. I can't imagine the overall tolerance for gays was very high in the mid 90's so this isn't too surprising.
In my adult life I've mixed with all sorts of Gay people and I've learnt that there's plenty of gays who don't like certain gay behaviours too and will mock them quite aggressively. I mean i've heard some hate from women about their ex partners but crikey, there's some seriously vindictive and horrible gay people. It's rather ironic. Online i've come across a few and when the person who coined hell hath no fury like a woman scorned wrote that, I'm guessing they didn't have much exposure to the Gay community. Thankfully for me, they weren't prepared to take it to the next level although they started making loud comments when we left which I ignored. The reason for this story is that my stance has nothing to do with how I feel/felt in regard to sexually identities. Sticking up for the bloke I was with should not be confused with me being pro Gay but I don't consider sexual identity to be up there on the list of reasons I might be inclined to socialise with people or up there with the reasons as to where my sense of justice is. This bloke eventually found someone and he was a raving lovestruck loony for a few weeks but I think I departed the organisation soon after. I'm still a homophobe because of I don't support Gay marriage. That in blue is fair, it doesn't have to have anything to do with whether or not you can be friends with someone, although I can understand leaving the organisation to avoid drama, just not on the grounds of avoiding run ins with gay people entirely. They just exist, probably more in other areas who are more closeted, who knows, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to avoid work on those grounds, not saying you are.
Oh I may have given the wrong impression, sorry, I didn't leave to avoid drama but was asked to leave. Bit of a story, it involved a gay person who just happened to be a senior partner. I was still on probation at the firm in my final week, great reviews from my boss and good feedback.
It all fell apart when i was asked to procure and setup a laptop and internet at the Senior Partner's house and was driven out there with him in a fancy Maserati which he tried to impress me by flooring it up hill and pushing me back in my seat, up to his fancy penthouse suite with great views and he played host with fancy olives and tea, suggested i remove my tie because it was getting in the way a bit,(Which I did), but I folded it up and put in my pocket wrongly and he had a bit of a go about the way i rolled it or folded it or something. Anyway, while I was there he showed me around, did the impressing me with olives, tea, views. I'd set everything up by about 2000hrs and gave him a demo, and instruction about how to get online, how to connect the PCMCIA(I think) card to the laptop dock and laptop to the dock and what he could do once connected. We chatted for a little bit and he mentioned it was getting late and he'd be showering and going to bed soon. I didn't have much in common with this bloke, he was a fancy lawyer about 40 years my senior, had a bit of a lisp and toff accent thing, liked the fancy things in life, frankly was a bit of a pratt and I think he was hitting on me.. Then there was this awkward - Would you like me to crash here or I can call you a Cab? Which I accepted and was quite relieved to be out of there. At the end of the week, I was called in to have an interview with my immediate boss and I was expecting to be off my probation but he informed me that my services would no longer be required, word had come down from the top and the partners didn't feel I was a suitable cultural fit for the organisation. I was gutted, my boss was at a loss as to expand on a qualitative reasons, beyond that although, he did mention something about my tertiary education wasn't up to their standards or something. It was only after thinking about it after that I put two and two together.
Anyway I wrestle with the idea that I'm a Homophobe and a Racist or rather that i'm a nasty piece of work because I am those things. While we're at it, I werestle with the concept that I may well have had or have peadophelic tendancies too since I've found myself noticing High school Seniors before. To the Racist part. Where I live and work it's fairly multicultural but I wish it was more like Borg culture ie, assimilating aspects of foreign culture but rejecting the parts which conflict with my values. The issue with multiculturalism is that some cultures start to dominate and become more prevalent at the expense of others. Australian culture traditionally is fairly passive and laid back, except when sport is involved or our national pride is challeneged, but I don't know who we are any more because other cultures are eroding mine from within my home country. I definitely have cultural prejudices in relation to what culture I enjoy and what culture I don't enjoy especially when it comes to impacting my traditional culture and my sense of identity/Who I am or my perception of Australias people's identity. There's a bit of that going on in Public spaces now in Perth. I don't hate foreign culture so much but I tire of having it forced upon me. Would be interested if you could elaborate on how said public spaces are forcing said culture onto you. Do they have foreign food restaurants? Different cultural events?
Essentially, the space that I have grown to become accustomed to, not so much the physical space or visual space but other sensory space including auditory and smell. The big one and most frustrating is public etiquette and I notice this on the Commute, to and from work. Every day I seem to have my peaceful relaxed headspace shattered by a few people who seem to like talking very loudly on their mobile phone in foreign tongues, sometimes on speakerphone or have some stinky foreign food that they just chow down on slurping loudly, Then there's sick people sniffling and snorting and coughing or someone deciding they don't need to use headphones when they listen to their foreign language facebook videos or news broadcast or whatever it is. Then there's those who have thrash metal music or pop music blaring but admittedly, they tend to be just rebellious kids who think that's cool. Now see, I don't know if manners are the same in other countries as they are with yours, ours, or the united states, but I'd like to think, judging by some of the better foreign people that I have met in my time, that this is more just current ignorance of what manners are, or just the trait of being an ass, which is common to all of us. This is where it becomes a bit hazy with the racist thing. Certain people who look a certain way seem to be the worst but that might just be an ethnographic subculture who just don't care about my culture or the comfort of others around them. These aren't visitors, many of them show evidence of being employed. My culture has plenty of arseholes in it too and no doubt behave the same way when abroad. Some people even think it's acceptable to air their dirty laundry in public or shout from one end of the train to another but that's not so much what i'm referring to. That's no where near as common.My shit filters have developed over the years to filter out background "Australian cultural norm background noises" They don't work for this foreign stuff and I don't know how to deal with this foreign cultural noise that is so abrasive. An unfortunate side affect is that the offenders all seem to have particular physical traits about them and I'm bothered that I'm starting to form stereotypes. I mean, some just do, but at the same time, they might not necessarily, different parents would net different results in appearance in a person right? Along with any activity they might partake in.
The appearance is due to cultural things being part of certain ethnicities, when people migrate, they bring their culture with them which his fine except when it clashes with the existing culture. The end result though is that certain behaviours end up being associated with certain ethnicities and stereotypes are formed. I have ADHD and have traditionally used commute time to relax and read a book or just chill. With these distractions, I can't do that anymore and it's impacting how I arrive at the other end. It's much worse late in the day when tired, my tolerance drops and I become increasingly feeling like i'm trapped. Whatever happened to "when in Rome, do as Romans do" is that a foreign concept in most parts of the world? This is fair, as I've heard that when we visit other countries, we're told to respect certain traditions, manners or at least have slight knowledge of their language. To be fair, most people, at least foreigners that are in our country at least, have done pretty well on being decent people, although I do speak as one that surfs the web and listens to music when travelling. To get absolutely everyone to respect rules of each other's countries is a very uphill battle in language barriers and such, as I'm sure you can understand.
I'd like to think that's the case here too and generally English is spoken in public but the Smartphone culture makes it easy to forget there's people around. I do think that's part of it and some cultures seem to use their devices in different ways too. Most locals will use headphones and converse fairly quietly. I feel like my way of life is being eroded by minorities and foreign culture is being forced down my throat impacting my traditional and home culture and environment. It's really bothering me. There has always been disruptive kids and certain rebellious loudmouths but this is different and it's becoming increasingly more prevalent. While we're on the subject of racism and stereotypes. Why is it that I've seen groups of dark skinned people blaring rap music but don't notice different ethnic groups doing that? I don't like loud music but loud angry rap music when i'm trying to relax - hate that and not a fan of those inconsiderate folks that do either. I try and sit or stand or move carriages when such groups are around. Passive racism they call it. Sadly for me since they seem to be dark skinned, it's just another way I'm labelled as racist. I so miss the goog old days..... To be fair, noticing a disturbance in the public and disliking it isn't really racist at all. In the UK, we have people doing that on bluetooth speakers while riding bicycles, so they're all the more mobile...they however aren't coloured, so I fail to see how that has to do with anything.
It becomes racist when disruptive behaviour becomes prevalent to certain ethnic groups and I alter my behaviour accordingly. It's not quite that bad but going that way.
Ok enough of a rant/vent from me.....
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