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Post by test777777 on Jun 5, 2019 11:49:33 GMT
I probably mentioned Thatcher. I'm a bit biased in regard to her brand of politics. Never had much time for union who tend to forget what fair and reasonable means and push employees to bankruptcy. On the other hand, i've never had much time for exploitive employers either. The way I see it, the industry was not profitable and sustainable, Maggie wasn't trying to hurt coal miners by closing some mines, but the Union action response was the catalyst for what happened next and families suffered. That's my bias on it anyway. Of course, NUM action was questionable in a lot of cases, but I don't think it's quite right to say Thatcher was trying to just close mines and the NUM reacted wrongly to it. Wilson closed more mines than Thatcher, the difference is Thatcher knew there would be and prepared for a confrontation with the miners. Stockpiling coal beforehand and bringing in MacGregor to head the NCB would suggest that she knew there would be a confrontation and wanted it crushed. Police action was far more brutal than was necessary and the aftermath of Thatcher's actions left ex-coal mining areas destitute. A lot of the north and Wales stills suffers from it. It happened a long time ago and I definitely had a limited perspective being so far away and I think at the time, the newspaper and am radio was about as close as I got to the news. The finer points of cause and affect weren't really understood by me, nor are they still but the Union demands and methodology of ransoming the employer through work stoppage was pretty unreasonable given the situation. That's the sort of stuff unions have done here. I mean it's fair enough if the employer is exploiting but if they aren't it's a non winnable situation and it just hurts the employer more. I'm sure Govt had been looking at ways to support the industry but had no answers given the coal economy. They likely had planned a much less aggressive rate of closure but does the union care about those efforts or that the coal industry propped up by govt is hurting the country and that strike action hurts it even more - nope. Delusional entitlement and the employer was over it. It's a two way street when it comes to mediating a bad situation where generational industry which has sustained towns over generation is no longer sustainable and Union wasn't interested in mediation.. Union response was very predictable because from my understanding, they'd been doing that for years and while I'm sure Maggie would have preferred mediation, was prepared to play hardball and she did. Police brutality may have been harsh, I'm sure workers weren't exactly good natured or co-operative with the law before police became brutal. Shitty situation all round. Yes - towns were built around the Coal industry are now desolate. It's sad for the good families and hard workers affected, it wasn't entirely their choice and many would have rather worked than strike. The longevity of the industry also meant families had long traditions tied to the industry and the fallout no doubt was emotionally extra tough. That's the harsh reality of mining I suppose. USA and Australia are full of semi ghost towns which were once boomtowns sustained by a mining industry nearby which became unsustainable and caused the people to leave town. Refusing to work doesn't make it any more sustainable.
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Post by CatSnipah on Jul 19, 2019 2:40:15 GMT
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Post by imhidingshh on Jul 19, 2019 8:18:30 GMT
And we thought Britain was fucked up, *America* "Hold my (pisswater) beer". Any other Western leader wouldve been forced out for what Trump has done, and telling someone who was born 20 miles from where he was born to go back home just proves what a moron he is.
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Post by JesterUSMC on Jul 19, 2019 13:48:30 GMT
And we thought Britain was fucked up, *America* "Hold my (pisswater) beer". Any other Western leader wouldve been forced out for what Trump has done, and telling someone who was born 20 miles from where he was born to go back home just proves what a moron he is. 
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Post by JesterUSMC on Jul 19, 2019 14:07:18 GMT
Trump tweets something mean.
Leftists - REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE CONDEMN! RACIST! REEEEEEEEEEEE
Antifa terrorist attacks a government facility.
Leftists - (Crickets)
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Post by Snorelacks on Jul 19, 2019 14:40:34 GMT
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Post by CatSnipah on Jul 19, 2019 15:57:01 GMT
And we thought Britain was fucked up, *America* "Hold my (pisswater) beer". Any other Western leader wouldve been forced out for what Trump has done, and telling someone who was born 20 miles from where he was born to go back home just proves what a moron he is. Apparently you suffer from TDS. You took a video that doesn't mention a guy and your immediate reaction is to bring him up, anyway.
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Post by CatSnipah on Jul 19, 2019 15:59:44 GMT
Trump tweets something mean. Leftists - REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE CONDEMN! RACIST! REEEEEEEEEEEE Antifa terrorist attacks a government facility. Leftists - (Crickets) Crickets, hell. The mayor of Tacoma supported his actions.
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Post by Snorelacks on Jul 19, 2019 16:26:45 GMT
Trump tweets something mean. Leftists - REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE CONDEMN! RACIST! REEEEEEEEEEEE Antifa terrorist attacks a government facility. Leftists - (Crickets) Crickets, hell. The mayor of Tacoma supported his actions. Shit...Inslee, the Governor of Washington whos running for President tried to minimize his actions by blaming Trump for the heated rhetoric over immigration in this country...you can't make this shit up.
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Post by imhidingshh on Jul 19, 2019 17:32:44 GMT
And we thought Britain was fucked up, *America* "Hold my (pisswater) beer". Any other Western leader wouldve been forced out for what Trump has done, and telling someone who was born 20 miles from where he was born to go back home just proves what a moron he is. Apparently you suffer from TDS. You took a video that doesn't mention a guy and your immediate reaction is to bring him up, anyway. And? The thread says Trump related doesn't it? America has a two party system so it's hard not to mention the Thunderc**t. I do love the way he stood there loving the "send her back" chant, then the next day saying hes not happy with it. What happens when the Native Americans start chanting it?
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Post by JesterUSMC on Jul 19, 2019 18:53:24 GMT
tHe NaTiVe AmErIcAnS wErE hErE fIrSt
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Post by CatSnipah on Jul 19, 2019 19:10:57 GMT
Apparently you suffer from TDS. You took a video that doesn't mention a guy and your immediate reaction is to bring him up, anyway. And? The thread says Trump related doesn't it? America has a two party system so it's hard not to mention the Thunderc**t. I do love the way he stood there loving the "send her back" chant, then the next day saying hes not happy with it. What happens when the Native Americans start chanting it? Wow, you sure are triggered. I'm sure you were just as disgusted with "we president now" and "elections have consequences", right? How about the anti-Semitic rhetoric from Rep Omar? That had to be vile. Right? Be careful, calm yourself, please. Wouldn't want you to cut yourself with your plastic butter knife.
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Post by Snorelacks on Jul 19, 2019 21:08:54 GMT
Apparently you suffer from TDS. You took a video that doesn't mention a guy and your immediate reaction is to bring him up, anyway. And? The thread says Trump related doesn't it? America has a two party system so it's hard not to mention the Thunderc**t. I do love the way he stood there loving the "send her back" chant, then the next day saying hes not happy with it. What happens when the Native Americans start chanting it? They've been doing it for decades already. Who cares...we'll just give them more blankets with measles to solve the issue ( this is sarcasm)
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Post by Snorelacks on Jul 19, 2019 21:12:06 GMT
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Post by Shhhhh on Jul 20, 2019 1:17:17 GMT
Meanwhile I'm just sitting here wondering when Britain is going to stop Iran from seizing its oil tankers.
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Post by Snorelacks on Jul 20, 2019 2:19:24 GMT
Meanwhile I'm just sitting here wondering when Britain is going to stop Iran from seizing its oil tankers. Fucking crazy. I mean, it’s not like they didn’t say they were going to do it, or hadn’t tried it earlier in the week. Only having three Royal Navy ships in the region is not going to cut it.
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Post by Shhhhh on Jul 20, 2019 9:12:55 GMT
Meanwhile I'm just sitting here wondering when Britain is going to stop Iran from seizing its oil tankers. Fucking crazy. I mean, it’s not like they didn’t say they were going to do it, or hadn’t tried it earlier in the week. Only having three Royal Navy ships in the region is not going to cut it. No it won't and only reason Iran did it was because they think they can get away with it. I'm sure a payment for release will be negotiated until next time.
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Post by imhidingshh on Jul 20, 2019 10:14:12 GMT
And? The thread says Trump related doesn't it? America has a two party system so it's hard not to mention the Thunderc**t. I do love the way he stood there loving the "send her back" chant, then the next day saying hes not happy with it. What happens when the Native Americans start chanting it? Wow, you sure are triggered. I'm sure you were just as disgusted with "we president now" and "elections have consequences", right? How about the anti-Semitic rhetoric from Rep Omar? That had to be vile. Right? Be careful, calm yourself, please. Wouldn't want you to cut yourself with your plastic butter knife. I dong do triggered, i say it as I see it but some think it's me being triggered. I have no idea who Omar is so can't comment on that. Be careful, I hear wind turbines give you cancer 😐
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Post by imhidingshh on Jul 20, 2019 10:18:19 GMT
And? The thread says Trump related doesn't it? America has a two party system so it's hard not to mention the Thunderc**t. I do love the way he stood there loving the "send her back" chant, then the next day saying hes not happy with it. What happens when the Native Americans start chanting it? They've been doing it for decades already. Who cares...we'll just give them more blankets with measles to solve the issue ( this is sarcasm) I always thought if was good to get measles, wait that could be chicken pocks. 😬 I dont really care about Politics as their all wankers in it for themselves it's just complete Thunderc**ts I can't stand. Well I say I dont care, I'd do pretty much anything to stop Corbyn becoming Prime Minister and trashing the Country.
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Post by imhidingshh on Jul 20, 2019 10:19:09 GMT
tHe NaTiVe AmErIcAnS wErE hErE fIrSt Too be fair though, they were.
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