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Post by "statistically insignificant" on Aug 5, 2016 18:18:10 GMT
Another police shooting video was released here in Chicago. It shows some 18 year old jackass in a stolen Jaguar flying down a residential street sideswiping a police SUV, almost hitting a cop, then head on crashing into another police vehicle. The cops chased and eventually shot and killed the prick. All in the middle of the day.
Now we get to hear all the asshole family members of the "victim" telling us how great he was and how he didn't deserve this. And they'll show the ONE picture of the kid where he wasn't flashing a gun or gang signs. And about how the police took another black life.
FUCK HIM! He was speeding down a residential street in a 3000lbs vehicle almost hitting a cop! Then he ran away! He obviously had no concern for anyone or anything that got in his way.
What if children had been in the street? Or anyone for that matter? What if he had clipped the cop? FUCK HIM!!
These fuckers want to stop being shot? They don't want to lose anymore life? STOP COMMITTING CRIMES!!! STOP RUNNING FROM THE POLICE WHEN THEY TELL YOU TO STOP!!!
OH, AND STOP CAMPING IN YOUR HEAVIES IN OUR SPAWN.......
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Aug 5, 2016 18:22:51 GMT
I'm gonna need more context other than the fact that he was driving recklessly to be able to make a judgement on this.
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Post by "statistically insignificant" on Aug 5, 2016 18:35:14 GMT
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Aug 5, 2016 18:54:58 GMT
Obviously pinning this on racism is a bullshit thing, he's a criminal, plain and simple, but to be honest, I think shooting him might have been just a tad excessive. Shooting him then restraining him and not administering first aid and leaving him to bleed out seems a little stupid too. I'm not saying that I'm on the side of the people calling it racism and that he wasn't a criminal, but I think that the response was a bit excessive.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 19:05:34 GMT
He won't be a repeat offender.
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Post by "statistically insignificant" on Aug 5, 2016 19:07:14 GMT
Maybe shooting him was excessive? But if it was my house he was trying to break into after slamming a police car out front and jumping a fence into my back yard...sucks to be him.
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Aug 5, 2016 19:08:01 GMT
He won't be a repeat offender. Fucking brutal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 19:13:17 GMT
And fuck heavy tank spawn campers. Those motherfuckers who do 500 dmg and think they are better than you because they lived longer.
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Post by Skankhunt42 on Aug 5, 2016 22:09:50 GMT
He tried to murder a cop and people are upset he got shot? Lol what
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Aug 5, 2016 22:21:13 GMT
He tried to murder a cop and people are upset he got shot? Lol what He crashed into a police car at speed and then tried to run away. Shooting a man in the back as he flees the scene for that is a bit excessive.
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Post by "statistically insignificant" on Aug 5, 2016 23:48:28 GMT
He tried to murder a cop and people are upset he got shot? Lol what He crashed into a police car at speed and then tried to run away. Shooting a man in the back as he flees the scene for that is a bit excessive. I don't think they shot him the back as he ran away. To me, it looked like he may of been trying to gain entry into a home. If that was the case he should have been shot. I obviously don't have the all the facts. But from what I saw his body was on the back porch of a house near a door.
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Post by PaxExeuntibus on Aug 6, 2016 0:25:12 GMT
He crashed into a police car at speed and then tried to run away. Shooting a man in the back as he flees the scene for that is a bit excessive. I don't think they shot him the back as he ran away. To me, it looked like he may of been trying to gain entry into a home. If that was the case he should have been shot. I obviously don't have the all the facts. But from what I saw his body was on the back porch of a house near a door. you cause crime you're taking a risk plain and simple, plus you can't mess up giving people first aid here in the states or you'll get lawsuit.
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Post by Skankhunt42 on Aug 6, 2016 0:28:43 GMT
He tried to murder a cop and people are upset he got shot? Lol what He crashed into a police car at speed and then tried to run away. Shooting a man in the back as he flees the scene for that is a bit excessive. That's still attempted murder on a police officer. There are certain circumstances where it is perfectly legal for police to shoot someone trying to flee, I'm pretty sure witnessing attempted murder is one but I may be wrong on that
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Aug 6, 2016 0:30:47 GMT
I don't think they shot him the back as he ran away. To me, it looked like he may of been trying to gain entry into a home. If that was the case he should have been shot. I obviously don't have the all the facts. But from what I saw his body was on the back porch of a house near a door. you cause crime you're taking a risk plain and simple, plus you can't mess up giving people first aid here in the states or you'll get lawsuit. It sounds like people either sue or go for therapy for everything in the US.
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Post by PaxExeuntibus on Aug 6, 2016 0:37:55 GMT
you cause crime you're taking a risk plain and simple, plus you can't mess up giving people first aid here in the states or you'll get lawsuit. It sounds like people either sue or go for therapy for everything in the US. yeah pretty much I was told in the military I wasn't allowed to do first aid on civs in the states but in Germany it was allowed. different laws and standards
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Aug 6, 2016 0:40:23 GMT
It sounds like people either sue or go for therapy for everything in the US. yeah pretty much I was told in the military I wasn't allowed to do first aid on civs in the states but in Germany it was allowed. different laws and standards I mean, I'm first aid trained, and I get that if you're not trained and you do first aid and then kill someone in the process or make it worse you're liable to prosecution, but that if you are trained and they still die then you're probably not liable to be prosecuted because you did everything you could. It sounds pretty bad when you're at the point though when it's just "don't do first aid ever you'll get sued". That mentality sounds disturbing.
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Post by PaxExeuntibus on Aug 6, 2016 0:53:01 GMT
yeah pretty much I was told in the military I wasn't allowed to do first aid on civs in the states but in Germany it was allowed. different laws and standards I mean, I'm first aid trained, and I get that if you're not trained and you do first aid and then kill someone in the process or make it worse you're liable to prosecution, but that if you are trained and they still die then you're probably not liable to be prosecuted because you did everything you could. It sounds pretty bad when you're at the point though when it's just "don't do first aid ever you'll get sued". That mentality sounds disturbing. different laws and different standards I just try not to pay mind to other countries' laws I don't live there or plan to visit I shouldn't worry about their laws plus OP said it happen in Chicago another 60 probably died that week there from gang violence. Warzones can be safer than that city
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Post by NeonLeon on Aug 6, 2016 2:42:27 GMT
It sounds like people either sue or go for therapy for everything in the US. this is a fact, and i hate it. nobody can take responsibility for anything here. its fucking embarassing the whole world either hates us or sees us as a joke, and anymore i cant even blame them when 98% of our population is fucked and acts like theyre 5, and entitled to everything bc they are the most important person that ever lived. and it doesnt help that our justice system allows people to sue others bc they dont have any fucking common sense. "ow that coffee burned me. im gonna sue you mcdonalds." "i cut myself on the window i smashed to break into your house and rob you. see ya in court" cant do this, cant do that; its a liability. etc etc its engulfed every aspect of life here in the u.s. its just sad really alright, rant over
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Post by JesterUSMC on Aug 6, 2016 6:06:27 GMT
Obviously pinning this on racism is a bullshit thing, he's a criminal, plain and simple, but to be honest, I think shooting him might have been just a tad excessive. Shooting him then restraining him and not administering first aid and leaving him to bleed out seems a little stupid too. I'm not saying that I'm on the side of the people calling it racism and that he wasn't a criminal, but I think that the response was a bit excessive. The North Hollywood Shootout set the precedent that we have to administer aid (To the best of our ability and as long as the situation permits i.e. active shooter situation, etc) after shooting someone. The guys that shot the gunman in North Hollywood handcuffed him and let him bleed out on the pavement. They were sued, and almost lost in court, but the suit was dropped by the gunman's family. I've watched the video several times and I have a few issues with what went down. DISCLAIMER - I wasn't there, obviously, but I am using my experience and what I observed in the video as the basis for my critique.The most glaring issue - The Officer that fired the fatal shots did not activate his camera. I believe he will burn for that, civilly and probably legally, as will the department. Not providing any medical treatment to the suspect after he was shot will come back to bite them in the ass. No direct pressure, Israeli Bandages, nothing. They just let him lay there. More than likely he was already dead at that time, but they should've at least made the effort until the EMT's pronounced him deceased. Another is the initial confrontation when the passenger in the first patrol car gets out and fires at the suspect. He sweeps his partner with his weapon and damn near shoots him. They continue firing at the suspect as he drives away, down a residential street, toward other Officers. Also, the 'chit chat' among all the Officers on scene after the shooting. Once the suspect is secured and medical attention is being handled by EMS - Shut the fuck up. Don't talk about what just happened. Don't high-five each other. Give a brief explanation to your immediate supervisor and find a quiet place to collect your thoughts and prepare for the shitstorm that your life is about to turn into. As far as the shots into the back - If he was shot while he was driving, even if he was shot in the heart, he would've had anywhere from 15-30 seconds of 'Oh shit' adrenaline before his body realized he was already a dead man. However, based on the video, it sounded like there were 4 more shots in the backyard. Best case scenario (For that Officer) : He shot him while the suspect attempted to make forced entry into a possibly occupied residence after the suspect had attempted to murder multiple Officers. See the 'Fleeing Felon' rule. Regardless of how it plays out, more than likely more Officers across the nation will be targeted like in Baton Rouge and Dallas and this will be used an the excuse. And so on and so on...
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Aug 6, 2016 9:54:51 GMT
They high-fived each other? Jesus christ.
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