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Post by Skankhunt42 on Jul 15, 2016 17:59:46 GMT
With the added bonus of an armed citizenry available as a warning against an invasion too. Those are two of the arguments I've seen the founders put forth. Reportedly Yamamoto is quoted as saying: "You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Though there is no proof of this - and most believe it was bogus. I don't believe he said it either, but it doesn't invalidate the point behind it though.
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Post by Shhhhh on Jul 15, 2016 20:54:45 GMT
I'll ignore the insult. Here is an example that I'm sure has happened before. A young woman is walking home to her apartment from her job as a waitress. It's a little after ten pm when three men approach her with ill intent. One of them is armed with a knife and all of them out weight her by at least 50 lbs. What do you think she'd rather have. A. Mace B. A phone C. A concealed 9mm pistol D. A knife E. A rape whistle Can you honestly tell yourself that option C isn't the only right answer? Of course she'd rather have a gun. But using the analogy of a young vulnerable woman about to be assaulted makes it very difficult to say anything without sounding like an idiot. This isn't going to exactly sound righteous, but I'd say in that scenario you describe, she hasn't got much of a chance anyway. If she pulls a gun she's gonna get stabbed. If she shoots the guy with the knife she's still gonna get beaten up by the other blokes. That's a situation that hasn't got any good outcome at all, so having a gun, honestly, isn't going to do much good. So your solution is to lay just down and die? Because you know your screwed so why bother. That's the impression I just got from you. I would take slim chance over no chance.
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Post by JesterUSMC on Jul 16, 2016 14:14:10 GMT
I wish I was at my computer so I could properly respond, but the victim mentality and 'The gov't will protect us' unicorn farts and rainbows world some would want to live in is disgusting.
Some sound more like a subject than a free man willing, and able, to think anf fend for himself.
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Post by JesterUSMC on Jul 16, 2016 14:18:24 GMT
'Dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery'
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Post by Atom Priest on Jul 16, 2016 15:59:01 GMT
I honestly don't understand B's stance on this. How can not being allowed to defend yourself with a weapon be a good thing? Does an Englishman not have a right to his sword? I think stun weapons are a good compromise though the problem with that is, would it be enough? Would the attacker be afraid enough to simply give up or will they not give two shits about being tazed? Another problem is how to deal with multiple attackers, like those fucking hoodies.
Anyone know if there is like a mace rifle or pistol? I'm not sure on the range of a can of mace, but it definitely isn't far enough to prevent a gang of say 6-8 welfare products from closing the distance.
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Post by Shhhhh on Jul 16, 2016 16:02:23 GMT
I honestly don't understand B's stance on this. How can not being allowed to defend yourself with a weapon be a good thing? Does an Englishman not have a right to his sword? I think stun weapons are a good compromise though the problem with that is, would it be enough? Would the attacker be afraid enough to simply give up or will they not give two shits about being tazed? Another problem is how to deal with multiple attackers, like those fucking hoodies. Anyone know if there is like a mace rifle or pistol? I'm not sure on the range of a can of mace, but it definitely isn't far enough to prevent a gang of say 6-8 welfare products from closing the distance. Most of the inmates I talk to laugh at the thought of getting tased or pepper sprayed.
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Post by JesterUSMC on Jul 16, 2016 16:09:01 GMT
I honestly don't understand B's stance on this. How can not being allowed to defend yourself with a weapon be a good thing? Does an Englishman not have a right to his sword? I think stun weapons are a good compromise though the problem with that is, would it be enough? Would the attacker be afraid enough to simply give up or will they not give two shits about being tazed? Another problem is how to deal with multiple attackers, like those fucking hoodies. Anyone know if there is like a mace rifle or pistol? I'm not sure on the range of a can of mace, but it definitely isn't far enough to prevent a gang of say 6-8 welfare products from closing the distance. I've seen guys half my size (I'm 6'4" 250lbs) get tased and they ripped the prongs out and fought us until we piled on them and used sheer force to place them into custody. I've been caught by overspray from a fellow Officer's pepper spray and all it did was piss me off. The lady that they sprayed was still able to claw and slap us until we arm bar'd her into custody. The best way to stop an attacker, armed or unarmed, is a series of well-placed shots to center mass.
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Jul 16, 2016 17:57:55 GMT
'Dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery' Yes, but in case you hadn't noticed, we're not enslaved.
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Post by Atom Priest on Jul 16, 2016 18:18:36 GMT
I honestly don't understand B's stance on this. How can not being allowed to defend yourself with a weapon be a good thing? Does an Englishman not have a right to his sword? I think stun weapons are a good compromise though the problem with that is, would it be enough? Would the attacker be afraid enough to simply give up or will they not give two shits about being tazed? Another problem is how to deal with multiple attackers, like those fucking hoodies. Anyone know if there is like a mace rifle or pistol? I'm not sure on the range of a can of mace, but it definitely isn't far enough to prevent a gang of say 6-8 welfare products from closing the distance. I've seen guys half my size (I'm 6'4" 250lbs) get tased and they ripped the prongs out and fought us until we piled on them and used sheer force to place them into custody. I've been caught by overspray from a fellow Officer's pepper spray and all it did was piss me off. The lady that they sprayed was still able to claw and slap us until we arm bar'd her into custody. The best way to stop an attacker, armed or unarmed, is a series of well-placed shots to center mass. Very well then.
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Post by Atom Priest on Jul 16, 2016 18:19:25 GMT
'Dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery' Yes, but in case you hadn't noticed, we're not enslaved. Not yet. How would you stop it anyway if the powers that be tried to do that?
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Jul 16, 2016 18:24:32 GMT
Yes, but in case you hadn't noticed, we're not enslaved. Not yet. How would you stop it anyway if the powers that be tried to do that? Well, normally I'd say that it would never happen, but at this point I'm reasonably sure I'll just get the "unicorn rainbow world" bullshit.
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Post by Atom Priest on Jul 16, 2016 18:34:45 GMT
Not yet. How would you stop it anyway if the powers that be tried to do that? Well, normally I'd say that it would never happen, but at this point I'm reasonably sure I'll just get the "unicorn rainbow world" bullshit. Why would it never happen?
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Jul 16, 2016 18:35:48 GMT
Well, normally I'd say that it would never happen, but at this point I'm reasonably sure I'll just get the "unicorn rainbow world" bullshit. Why would it never happen? Because we live in a tolerant and democratic society, and it has been so for hundreds of years, even through the worst periods of violence ever.
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Post by Atom Priest on Jul 16, 2016 19:01:44 GMT
Why would it never happen? Because we live in a tolerant and democratic society, and it has been so for hundreds of years, even through the worst periods of violence ever. Not for long. You must have seen the communists pouring out of universities by now.
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Jul 16, 2016 19:08:31 GMT
Because we live in a tolerant and democratic society, and it has been so for hundreds of years, even through the worst periods of violence ever. Not for long. You must have seen the communists pouring out of universities by now. True, true. In which case I'd flee to Norway. Norway's cool.
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Skankhunt42
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Post by Skankhunt42 on Jul 16, 2016 19:15:06 GMT
I honestly don't understand B's stance on this. How can not being allowed to defend yourself with a weapon be a good thing? Does an Englishman not have a right to his sword? I think stun weapons are a good compromise though the problem with that is, would it be enough? Would the attacker be afraid enough to simply give up or will they not give two shits about being tazed? Another problem is how to deal with multiple attackers, like those fucking hoodies. Anyone know if there is like a mace rifle or pistol? I'm not sure on the range of a can of mace, but it definitely isn't far enough to prevent a gang of say 6-8 welfare products from closing the distance. The major issue with mace/pepper spray is if it's even slightly windy, there's a very good chance the spray could hit you too, which insn't very effective for self defense.
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Post by Shhhhh on Jul 16, 2016 21:27:05 GMT
Well, normally I'd say that it would never happen, but at this point I'm reasonably sure I'll just get the "unicorn rainbow world" bullshit. Why would it never happen? It could happen. Look at all the European countries having issues with immigration. If the immigrants either get organized and try and effect change with violence or by simply voting once that reach a certain percentage in the eligible population. Those are the most likely scenarios.
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Post by Pit Friend on Jul 19, 2016 1:43:47 GMT
I would've pointed out Chicago and Washington DC for that lol IIRC, if you took out the murders in just Chicago, DC, and New Orleans, the US murder rate is stupidly low per capita. I know. The amount of crime in the inner cities is a complete tragedy. The point of my link was to point out the futility of gun control. If someone needs a gun they will find a way. Hell now that we have 3d printers almost anyone can manufacture a cheap firearm. Who needs a 3D printer? Ever hear of a zip gun? They were used by street gangs and even in prisons from the '50s through the early '80s. Basically it's a metal tube of the right size for a barrel with a handgrip of some kind taped on with a rubber band for a mainspring and a tack or nail for a firing pin. For a .22 caliber one the extendable antennas from car or transistor radios worked just fine. Not terribly accurate but completely untraceable and more than capable of killing someone, especially from close range. Interestingly, the Allies made a version of a zip gun to be dropped into occupied territories called the Liberator. It was designed for a partisan to use to kill a soldier and take his weapons. It is possibly the only manufactured firearm that took less time to produce than to load. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP-45_Liberator
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Post by Pit Friend on Jul 19, 2016 1:59:33 GMT
I honestly don't understand B's stance on this. How can not being allowed to defend yourself with a weapon be a good thing? Does an Englishman not have a right to his sword? I think stun weapons are a good compromise though the problem with that is, would it be enough? Would the attacker be afraid enough to simply give up or will they not give two shits about being tazed? Another problem is how to deal with multiple attackers, like those fucking hoodies. Anyone know if there is like a mace rifle or pistol? I'm not sure on the range of a can of mace, but it definitely isn't far enough to prevent a gang of say 6-8 welfare products from closing the distance. The major issue with mace/pepper spray is if it's even slightly windy, there's a very good chance the spray could hit you too, which insn't very effective for self defense. The real problem with that crap is that at least 10% of humanity and possibly more are totally immune to it. The same reason why some people can eat peppers all day long without sweating, they're resistant to totally immune to the effects of capsaicin. My spray of choice is something from my Military Police days, a can of pressurized liquid military grade CS tear gas. No one is immune to it and unless you're spraying it right into a hurricane it's not coming back at you.
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Post by I AM The Scouting Authority. on Jul 19, 2016 2:34:52 GMT
The major issue with mace/pepper spray is if it's even slightly windy, there's a very good chance the spray could hit you too, which insn't very effective for self defense. The real problem with that crap is that at least 10% of humanity and possibly more are totally immune to it. The same reason why some people can eat peppers all day long without sweating, they're resistant to totally immune to the effects of capsaicin. My spray of choice is something from my Military Police days, a can of pressurized liquid military grade CS tear gas. No one is immune to it and unless you're spraying it right into a hurricane it's not coming back at you. Is that the gel style one??
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