Definitely not FledBasher
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Post by Definitely not FledBasher on Feb 19, 2016 14:48:44 GMT
Got my warning for posting for the soul purpose of causing civil unrest lol AJH. You fail to realize that your leader or any clan member represents the clan as a whole. If no action is taken it is Seen as being supportive. This is why people get kicked out of clans. A single person can tarnish the image of a clan. When it's the leader it is 10 times worse. You don't seem to think there is anything wrong with what he does. The thread about him on this forum has remarks from you agreeing with him while he is saying he is going to afk. Read them. You look like you fully support delta afking. That makes you the enemy. Fine, I'll continue to discuss further, if I must.
If I am coming in here straight-up telling you guys that we don't support that type of thing, then that's what it is. My clan tag has nothing to do with it. That is nothing more than a tag for those of us who play in a group. What 1 guy does, doesn't automatically reflect the ideas of everyone, no matter how much you seem to want it to be that way. He can see my posts, just as you and everyone else can. I said I don't agree with him. As for the comments that were dug up, you are taking them out of context. At the time of those posts, I had been grinding the STA1 (stock) and somewhat hating it. Both in various threads and in private, I was telling him how bad I hated the tank and just wanted to get through it. He wrote that stuff and I didn't take him literally. I thought he was just joking because of how much I was complaining about hating the stock grind. Nothing more than that.
But he wasn't joking and when faced with proof on the other forum your response didn't seem to show that you cared in any way. If your leader is doing shitty thing then talking shit to people about it it makes you look bad. If I have a friend who is a rapist and is always getting arested I wouldn't want to be seen with that person. It would make me look bad and probably have victims loved ones angry at me. I know it's an extreme comparison but you don't seem to be getting the whole "makes you look bad" thing. The dipshit even said that we need to learn to carry better. Seriously?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 14:49:37 GMT
I may not exactly go out of my way to assist them (depending on the situation) and will certainly make them a priority if on the reds, but ... I dunno about actively trolling the entire clan.
Don't get me wrong here -- I have 100% respect for the righteous anger toward Delta, and I don't see how anyone would want to be in a clan with a guy who admits to fucking over his teammates for thousands of matches, friends or no. (Quite frankly, I wouldn't be friends with someone that goddamn selfish -- not to mention clinically stupid -- but I'm weird like that.)
But there has to be a better way to get him back, doesn't there? We are more than creative enough to come up with something better—although I honestly have no clue what that might be at this point.
We should ruminate on it a bit ...
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Post by Corporal Derpy on Feb 19, 2016 14:54:01 GMT
In fact it makes you worse because now your team has to make up for two tanks that will not be doing anything for the rest of the match.
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Definitely not FledBasher
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Post by Definitely not FledBasher on Feb 19, 2016 14:54:17 GMT
I know many people will disagree and this sounds shitty but at least its a plan. Do you have a better one? Executing a shitty plan leads to shitty results. Whether I(or anyone else) has a plan to deal with it or not still doesn't mean it should be carried out. By trolling others you are just becoming part of the problem. What if i manage to troll them and still win and keep most team mates alive? Also his clan falls apart and stops afking because of it? I'm not saying it will work. But at least I'm willing to try something
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Post by Atom Priest on Feb 19, 2016 14:55:09 GMT
I may not exactly go out of my way to assist them (depending on the situation) and will certainly make them a priority if on the reds, but ... I dunno about actively trolling the entire clan. Don't get me wrong here -- I have 100% respect for the righteous anger toward Delta, and I don't see how anyone would want to be in a clan with a guy who admits to fucking over his teammates for thousands of matches, friends or no. (Quite frankly, I wouldn't be friends with someone that goddamn selfish -- not to mention clinically stupid -- but I'm weird like that.) But there has to be a better way to get him back, doesn't there? We are more than creative enough to come up with something better—although I honestly have no clue what that might be at this point. We should ruminate on it a bit ... Yes this.
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Post by Definitely not FledBasher on Feb 19, 2016 15:04:01 GMT
I may not exactly go out of my way to assist them (depending on the situation) and will certainly make them a priority if on the reds, but ... I dunno about actively trolling the entire clan. Don't get me wrong here -- I have 100% respect for the righteous anger toward Delta, and I don't see how anyone would want to be in a clan with a guy who admits to fucking over his teammates for thousands of matches, friends or no. (Quite frankly, I wouldn't be friends with someone that goddamn selfish -- not to mention clinically stupid -- but I'm weird like that.) But there has to be a better way to get him back, doesn't there? We are more than creative enough to come up with something better—although I honestly have no clue what that might be at this point. We should ruminate on it a bit ... I may not exactly go out of my way to assist them (depending on the situation) and will certainly make them a priority if on the reds, but ... I dunno about actively trolling the entire clan. Don't get me wrong here -- I have 100% respect for the righteous anger toward Delta, and I don't see how anyone would want to be in a clan with a guy who admits to fucking over his teammates for thousands of matches, friends or no. (Quite frankly, I wouldn't be friends with someone that goddamn selfish -- not to mention clinically stupid -- but I'm weird like that.) But there has to be a better way to get him back, doesn't there? We are more than creative enough to come up with something better—although I honestly have no clue what that might be at this point. We should ruminate on it a bit ... Yes this. I'm open to any ideas you may have about how to handle this. I'm not an unreasonable person. I came up with a plan to deal with someone who is a part of the problem. Hell, im doing more than anyone else is. Come up with another way and if it seems logical in even a small way I will try it Until then I don't need to be told that doing nothing is some how better
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Post by Atom Priest on Feb 19, 2016 15:05:30 GMT
In fact it makes you worse because now your team has to make up for two tanks that will not be doing anything for the rest of the match. Using Delta's logic only proves him right. Executing a shitty plan leads to shitty results. Whether I(or anyone else) has a plan to deal with it or not still doesn't mean it should be carried out. By trolling others you are just becoming part of the problem. What if i manage to troll them and still win and keep most team mates alive? Also his clan falls apart and stops afking because of it? I'm not saying it will work. But at least I'm willing to try something I'm not a history buff; but it feels like that is something not so dissimilar to what Churchill would say to justify the Gallipoli campaign. "it might not work, but lets do it anyway because". I'm sure Sqn Ldr B would know more about this.
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Post by Atom Priest on Feb 19, 2016 15:10:08 GMT
Doing the right thing is best, and sometimes doing nothing is the right thing. Think things through first. Do you really want to be named and shamed, by yourself, as troll? Well that quote fucked up. I hate this quote system. I hate it I hate it I hate it. Ugh.
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Post by Definitely not FledBasher on Feb 19, 2016 15:11:40 GMT
Using Delta's logic only proves him right. What if i manage to troll them and still win and keep most team mates alive? Also his clan falls apart and stops afking because of it? I'm not saying it will work. But at least I'm willing to try something I'm not a history buff; but it feels like that is something not so dissimilar to what Churchill would say to justify the Gallipoli campaign. "it might not work, but lets do it anyway because". I'm sure Sqn Ldr B would know more about this. What's wrong with trying something that might not work? Ever hear the saying "you never know until you try"? If we only did things we knew would work we wouldn't be here today
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Post by Definitely not FledBasher on Feb 19, 2016 15:17:30 GMT
Doing the right thing is best, and sometimes doing nothing is the right thing. Think things through first. Do you really want to be named and shamed, by yourself, as troll? Well that quote fucked up. I hate this quote system. I hate it I hate it I hate it. Ugh. Its a chance im willing to take. Besides, there is what 6 members? The odds of running into them on my team for 1 game aren't that high. You make it sound like I'm going to break the game
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Post by ajh387 on Feb 19, 2016 15:19:13 GMT
He knows that I don't do that type of thing. I didn't know he was actually AFK'ing, until I saw someone bring it up on the forum. I initially was responding to outside people in threads concerning him, just because I felt like certain people were looking for anything he said / did turning it into a dumpster fire in so many threads (not just about AFK'ing but pretty much anything being discussed). It was annoying. As for me 'not caring', I don't make his decisions, he is his own dude. But I won't stop being friends/gaming with him because he does something I don't agree with. The rapist thing is just ridiculous and I'm not even going to entertain that as comparing the 2 is nothing alike. This is a game, that is a real life tragedy. His 'carry' response is just a sarcastic way of replying, he isn't meant to be a legit defense of AFK'ing. So no, not 'Seriously'. As far as me looking bad - maybe in some people's eyes, especially those with an agenda. I feel like there are plenty other forumers who have interacted with me both in game and on the boards that know I am a straight forward guy and generally get along with people.
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Post by Violet Viper x on Feb 19, 2016 15:21:53 GMT
I completely understand both sides of this argument, and I appreciate that things have been relatively civil so far. However, if it does happen to get out of hand, I will lock it.
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Post by Atom Priest on Feb 19, 2016 15:23:20 GMT
We got where we are today through ~220,000 years of trial and error; but we have advanced more in the last 100 years by using the best ideas and rigorously testing them to make sure they work before we apply them, rather than just using the first shitty idea we come up with in a brainstorming session and rolling with it.
If you want to do it do it. I've given my opinion of it and if that doesn't change your mind I'm not bothered.
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Post by Definitely not FledBasher on Feb 19, 2016 15:26:37 GMT
He knows that I don't do that type of thing. I didn't know he was actually AFK'ing, until I saw someone bring it up on the forum. I initially was responding to outside people in threads concerning him, just because I felt like certain people were looking for anything he said / did turning it into a dumpster fire in so many threads (not just about AFK'ing but pretty much anything being discussed). It was annoying. As for me 'not caring', I don't make his decisions, he is his own dude. But I won't stop being friends/gaming with him because he does something I don't agree with. The rapist thing is just ridiculous and I'm not even going to entertain that as comparing the 2 is nothing alike. This is a game, that is a real life tragedy. His 'carry' response is just a sarcastic way of replying, he isn't meant to be a legit defense of AFK'ing. So no, not 'Seriously'. As far as me looking bad - maybe in some people's eyes, especially those with an agenda. I feel like there are plenty other forumers who have interacted with me both in game and on the boards that know I am a straight forward guy and generally get along with people.
You seem to have missed where i said the whole rape thing was extreme and was only being used to show how people make judgments about you based on the company you keep.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 15:27:29 GMT
I'm open to any ideas you may have about how to handle this. I'm not an unreasonable person. I came up with a plan to deal with someone who is a part of the problem. Hell, im doing more than anyone else is. Come up with another way and if it seems logical in even a small way I will try it Until then I don't need to be told that doing nothing is some how better If I can think of anything I will most certainly post it. As of now, however, I got nuthin'. Just wish WG would handle the situation like they do on PC and actually ban people from the game. It's not that hard for them to do, and it's not like there is no clear evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 15:28:29 GMT
I hate to jump in on this but I can't resist. Trolling a player or Clan no matter the reasoning does not help your cause.
At no point am I defending Delta and his AFK'ing ways.
If I was in [ARTY] I would leave the Clan. His actions define the Clan.
Trolling an ARTY Clan member makes you and the Clan you represent look bad in the public eye. The majority of random players don't know the back story and just see you being an ass to another player. Like I said this will affect the random player's opinion of you and your Clan.
Something should be done about AFK players but I don't see this as the solution.
That's all I've got to say on this one.
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Post by Definitely not FledBasher on Feb 19, 2016 15:29:58 GMT
We got where we are today through ~220,000 years of trial and error; but we have advanced more in the last 100 years by using the best ideas and rigorously testing them to make sure they work before we apply them, rather than just using the first shitty idea we come up with in a brainstorming session and rolling with it. If you want to do it do it. I've given my opinion of it and if that doesn't change your mind I'm not bothered. We got to where we are by trying things that hadn't been tried before. We didn't use the best ideas and rigorously test them. That's ridiculous to even think. Sure some things were tested but what do you think this is? This is an idea about to be tested. Your saying don't even test ideas? How do you test something without...testing it ?
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Post by Atom Priest on Feb 19, 2016 15:32:29 GMT
We got where we are today through ~220,000 years of trial and error; but we have advanced more in the last 100 years by using the best ideas and rigorously testing them to make sure they work before we apply them, rather than just using the first shitty idea we come up with in a brainstorming session and rolling with it. If you want to do it do it. I've given my opinion of it and if that doesn't change your mind I'm not bothered. We got to where we are by trying things that hadn't been tried before. We didn't use the best ideas and rigorously test them. That's ridiculous to even think. Sure some things were tested but what do you think this is? This is an idea about to be tested. Your saying don't even test ideas? How do you test something without...testing it ? Did you even read my post lol?
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Post by Definitely not FledBasher on Feb 19, 2016 15:36:30 GMT
I hate to jump in on this but I can't resist. Trolling a player or Clan no matter the reasoning does not help your cause. At no point am I defending Delta and his AFK'ing ways. If I was in [ARTY] I would leave the Clan. His actions define the Clan. Trolling an ARTY Clan member makes you and the Clan you represent look bad in the public eye. The majority of random players don't know the back story and just see you being an ass to another player. Like I said this will affect the random player's opinion of you and your Clan. Something should be done about AFK players but I don't see this as the solution. That's all I've got to say on this one. I agree that it looks bad and trolling in general is a bad thing. Afkers have been talked about since the release...just about. WG made it a little harder to do but that's it. This is a problem that has been unsolved for a few years. Please, give me another solution. Seriously. People want to say it's a bad idea but they have no clue what to do. I guess we can all just sit quietly and do nothing. I mean when has that not worked? Probably never. Sitting around doing nothing has to be the answer. I'm willing to try any idea except sitting around doing nothing
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Post by Atom Priest on Feb 19, 2016 15:37:23 GMT
Why don't we AFK while we come up with a plan?
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