imhidingshh
Captain
Duty Pirate
Posts: 1,267
Likes: 251
Date registered: Feb 13, 2016 18:37:24 GMT
|
Post by imhidingshh on Jan 13, 2020 14:50:16 GMT
Personally I think Pain has shares on War Thunder but that's just my tinfoil theory. So why is the game suffering so badly? I actually think WG (Chicago lot) want the game to die so they can move on to other things, theres no other explanation as to why every decision they make runs the game that little bit more. I think when they fired those employees they fired the wrong ones, I mean what does Max and Raibitch actually do other that ban people for telling the truth and calling people liars? The game could be fixed so easily with just a few adjustments and credibility restored by just listening to the playe base that actually understand the game and ignoring the FB muppets (oh and calling people liars doesnt help either), any one of us could fix this game within a week yet they make bad decision after bad decision, and we're the ones paying for it. Anyone else got any ideas as to why WG are sucking the life out of the game so hard.
Personally I'm hoping the PC version gets ported like War Thunder has done so I can go to that one, i cant be bothered with a PC and K&M so it would have to come to console for me to play it.
|
|
DerailedWingnut
Lieutenant
Dirty Chinese Cartoons Loving Fuck
Journalists are the lowest form of a human.
Posts: 965
Likes: 1,151
Console: Xbox One
Is R35T a Skreb?: No
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"https://i.imgur.com/7bzSEZE.jpg","color":""}
Mini-Profile Name Color: 5cc824
Mini-Profile Text Color: fcf81a
Date registered: Oct 5, 2017 4:57:30 GMT
|
Post by DerailedWingnut on Jan 13, 2020 17:10:16 GMT
I've said it before and I'll say it again, but the Motherland really was the turning point for the game. At first the idea of a few reskins here or there, especially the flag tanks, was a widely accepted idea. But I think they saw how easy the money was from adding an ugly perma-camo, and lately it's not even a perma-camo, to something and up-charging 40%. They became greedy and started releasing everything as a reskin, and basically gave up on everything else as far as game balance was concerned.
The decision to never nerf premium tanks I think has been one of the most detrimental things they've ever done for game balance. PC's powercreep problem was turned up tenfold on console solely because this reason. When things like the 131 make it through supertest, and then they realize and even admit that they are OP but then refuse to nerf them is baffling.
I can understand that there would be backlash if they nerfed a premium sure, but when you start the game you sign a EULA saying they can do whatever they want to any vehicle in game, regardless of the gold you spent on it. The people who buy an OP premium and then want a refund if it gets put in line are just entitled AFAIC. Part of this is probably the fact that they have zero experience with this type of game.
I don't think they are sinking the game intentionally, they just have no idea what they are doing. They know they have a few players, whether oblivious, addicted, or blindly loyal, that will buy whatever premium they throw out next regardless of what it is. They are also too arrogant to admit when they make a mistake, and have become too used to their echo chamber to be able to distinguish trolling from legitimate criticism. They label everything as a troll comment, and Raithot's army of incels will white knight for her until the forums shut down.
|
|
ZER01025
Captain
Posts: 1,196
Likes: 781
Console: Xbox 360 & One
Clan tag: BNKR
Is R35T a Skreb?: No
Date registered: Mar 1, 2016 14:07:16 GMT
|
Post by ZER01025 on Jan 13, 2020 17:42:21 GMT
It's funny Wingnut mentions Motherland as the end for that game becuase that was basicly my stopping point in that game. I bought it and still played it to train up my captain, the grind killed it for me. Kinda like the PR grind did it to me. I plan to come back but long grinds ARE NOT FUN. Even if you don't want or care to get the item they'e offering (I had no desire to get the PR from the start) I just got tired of the event and the directives. Just focusing on my own grind and ignoring the rest of the game doen't do it either. When the goals are obtainable it gives me something to grind to during the day and keeps me entertained making it fun. When the goals aren't met within a day or a week it's like a job you aren't even getting paid for and makes me want to invest my time elsewhere, and I have plenty of other ways to do that with more fulfilling rewards than some digital tank or ship which means zip in the real world. I think WG forgot people play games to relieve stress and have fun.
|
|
imhidingshh
Captain
Duty Pirate
Posts: 1,267
Likes: 251
Date registered: Feb 13, 2016 18:37:24 GMT
|
Post by imhidingshh on Jan 13, 2020 18:17:20 GMT
I've said it before and I'll say it again, but the Motherland really was the turning point for the game. At first the idea of a few reskins here or there, especially the flag tanks, was a widely accepted idea. But I think they saw how easy the money was from adding an ugly perma-camo, and lately it's not even a perma-camo, to something and up-charging 40%. They became greedy and started releasing everything as a reskin, and basically gave up on everything else as far as game balance was concerned. The decision to never nerf premium tanks I think has been one of the most detrimental things they've ever done for game balance. PC's powercreep problem was turned up tenfold on console solely because this reason. When things like the 131 make it through supertest, and then they realize and even admit that they are OP but then refuse to nerf them is baffling. I can understand that there would be backlash if they nerfed a premium sure, but when you start the game you sign a EULA saying they can do whatever they want to any vehicle in game, regardless of the gold you spent on it. The people who buy an OP premium and then want a refund if it gets put in line are just entitled AFAIC. Part of this is probably the fact that they have zero experience with this type of game. I don't think they are sinking the game intentionally, they just have no idea what they are doing. They know they have a few players, whether oblivious, addicted, or blindly loyal, that will buy whatever premium they throw out next regardless of what it is. They are also too arrogant to admit when they make a mistake, and have become too used to their echo chamber to be able to distinguish trolling from legitimate criticism. They label everything as a troll comment, and Raithot's army of incels will white knight for her until the forums shut down. I think 5 man platoons and the refusal to remove/rebalance the WT-E100 were big factors too. I mean I like playing with the extra two but I do think it ruins the balance of the game and ruins it for the solo player, that and the point blank refusal to look at balancing Arty
|
|
El Materdor43
Lieutenant
Perpetual Potato
Posts: 553
Likes: 425
Console: Xbox One
Preferred server: East
Is R35T a Skreb?: No
Date registered: Feb 13, 2016 17:12:47 GMT
|
Post by El Materdor43 on Jan 14, 2020 0:31:17 GMT
I’ll give an another one.
Our “Gameplay Expert” has helped to drive the game into the ditch. The “just flank it. The E5 is great for that” meme has turned in to WGCB’s answer for balance. Couple that, along with multiple other decisions by WG; Motherland(as you guys have pointed out), the nonstop Op mentality that says quantity, not quality, wins the day, and the decision to focus on tanks, mostly reskins, instead of other content has harmed the game tremendously. And to a lesser extent, the lack of a WG sponsored/hosted competitive community has driven away many of the good players.
|
|
Ron James Dio
Lieutenant
Posts: 829
Likes: 707
Date registered: Mar 29, 2016 12:57:01 GMT
|
Post by Ron James Dio on Jan 14, 2020 4:35:20 GMT
Mercenary tanks really turned the game for me, personally. There are so many imaginary, mutant op tanks now its insane. The Machine, Chisel, Absolution, Longbomb. Then they decided to take great tanks and make them better, like the Dreadnought which is just straight up better than the KV2 in every possible category, or the tremendous amount of Autoloaders. WT E100, IS3a, T32A proto, Iron Rain, T28 Prototype autoloader, Machine, T57 heavy, Krangvahn, Italian tanks with autoloaders that can partially reload clips, French auto loader artillery.It seems like every tank you run into these days is an autoloader of some variety, and if its not its a reskin or Merc tank. More than 1/2 of the tanks in each game are premiums these days.
These new ops also give so much silver than any average pubby without premium time can afford to have whole loadouts of gold rounds, and miss 3/4 of their shells without losing much for silver. Tier 10 tanks are so easy to earn now, when you can make more than 4 million silver in one operation.
|
|
imhidingshh
Captain
Duty Pirate
Posts: 1,267
Likes: 251
Date registered: Feb 13, 2016 18:37:24 GMT
|
Post by imhidingshh on Jan 14, 2020 18:19:23 GMT
Mercenary tanks really turned the game for me, personally. There are so many imaginary, mutant op tanks now its insane. The Machine, Chisel, Absolution, Longbomb. Then they decided to take great tanks and make them better, like the Dreadnought which is just straight up better than the KV2 in every possible category, or the tremendous amount of Autoloaders. WT E100, IS3a, T32A proto, Iron Rain, T28 Prototype autoloader, Machine, T57 heavy, Krangvahn, Italian tanks with autoloaders that can partially reload clips, French auto loader artillery.It seems like every tank you run into these days is an autoloader of some variety, and if its not its a reskin or Merc tank. More than 1/2 of the tanks in each game are premiums these days. These new ops also give so much silver than any average pubby without premium time can afford to have whole loadouts of gold rounds, and miss 3/4 of their shells without losing much for silver. Tier 10 tanks are so easy to earn now, when you can make more than 4 million silver in one operation. About the silver bit. I watched Clone Guy's vid on YouTube last night and he used his Super Conq and a near full Premium load out, sure he penned most but he made money every game he played. I think they should increase the cost of them and do what PC is testing, prem rounds have extra pen but less Alpha. Make it so you have to need to use them instead of e everyone spamming them all the time.
|
|
Ron James Dio
Lieutenant
Posts: 829
Likes: 707
Date registered: Mar 29, 2016 12:57:01 GMT
|
Post by Ron James Dio on Jan 14, 2020 22:17:50 GMT
Thats a good point abiut having a negative with the gold rounds. Currently if you DON'T shoot gold, you are at an extreme disadvantage as every other player seems to. Armor means nothing at this point, unless its full of spaced hard points, which half of the new tanks seem to.
|
|
imhidingshh
Captain
Duty Pirate
Posts: 1,267
Likes: 251
Date registered: Feb 13, 2016 18:37:24 GMT
|
Post by imhidingshh on Jan 15, 2020 12:21:34 GMT
Thats a good point abiut having a negative with the gold rounds. Currently if you DON'T shoot gold, you are at an extreme disadvantage as every other player seems to. Armor means nothing at this point, unless its full of spaced hard points, which half of the new tanks seem to. That's the pathetic way WG balance though, they just add spaced armour instead of nerfing the problem.
|
|
CatSnipah
Lieutenant
Catnip Commander
Posts: 532
Likes: 314
Console: Xbox one
Preferred server: East
Clan tag: [BNKR]
Is R35T a Skreb?: Yes
Mini-Profile Name Color: 096ab1
Mini-Profile Text Color: 096ab1
Date registered: Feb 23, 2016 13:13:03 GMT
|
Post by CatSnipah on Jan 15, 2020 13:53:45 GMT
Its simple, really.
Shit leadership, shit dev team, shit community engagement.
WoWs PC, for example, shit the bed with the carrier rework, yet worked to make it right. It took a long time, but they listened to the players and did something other than force more shit down their throats.
Unlike WoTC, who insists that they "gave you the mercenary line you asked for", and continually do the exact opposite that the players request and provide feedback on.
WoWsPC also has their devs embedded in the community portals / forums. Their community team is partially made up of designers and devs, who actually play the game AND truly understand the inner workings.
But at the root is SHIT LEADERSHIP. A strong, dedicated leadership team would be inventive enough to overcome literally all of the poor performances and bad decisions currently being made.
|
|
CatSnipah
Lieutenant
Catnip Commander
Posts: 532
Likes: 314
Console: Xbox one
Preferred server: East
Clan tag: [BNKR]
Is R35T a Skreb?: Yes
Mini-Profile Name Color: 096ab1
Mini-Profile Text Color: 096ab1
Date registered: Feb 23, 2016 13:13:03 GMT
|
Post by CatSnipah on Jan 15, 2020 13:58:13 GMT
Technically, they do nerf premiums. Follow me here...
They do not DIRECTLY nerf a premium, but rather INDIRECTLY by designing a new premium that is just a bit more powerful than the last one. If you like your old premium, you're 'forced' to buy the new one to stay competitive, if you're an average potato.
Thus, indirect nerfing.
|
|
CatSnipah
Lieutenant
Catnip Commander
Posts: 532
Likes: 314
Console: Xbox one
Preferred server: East
Clan tag: [BNKR]
Is R35T a Skreb?: Yes
Mini-Profile Name Color: 096ab1
Mini-Profile Text Color: 096ab1
Date registered: Feb 23, 2016 13:13:03 GMT
|
Post by CatSnipah on Jan 15, 2020 14:01:25 GMT
Max has the whole 'Nanny State' leadership mentality. Meaning that he believes he knows what's best for the players, regardless of their feedback, and believes that no one can be as intelligent as he is.
|
|
imhidingshh
Captain
Duty Pirate
Posts: 1,267
Likes: 251
Date registered: Feb 13, 2016 18:37:24 GMT
|
Post by imhidingshh on Jan 15, 2020 18:35:16 GMT
Its simple, really. Shit leadership, shit dev team, shit community engagement. WoWs PC, for example, shit the bed with the carrier rework, yet worked to make it right. It took a long time, but they listened to the players and did something other than force more shit down their throats. Unlike WoTC, who insists that they "gave you the mercenary line you asked for", and continually do the exact opposite that the players request and provide feedback on. WoWsPC also has their devs embedded in the community portals / forums. Their community team is partially made up of designers and devs, who actually play the game AND truly understand the inner workings. But at the root is SHIT LEADERSHIP. A strong, dedicated leadership team would be inventive enough to overcome literally all of the poor performances and bad decisions currently being made. You never know, with all the Tweets I'm doing to WG head office they might bin them and let the WoWs team take over.
|
|
imhidingshh
Captain
Duty Pirate
Posts: 1,267
Likes: 251
Date registered: Feb 13, 2016 18:37:24 GMT
|
Post by imhidingshh on Jan 15, 2020 18:37:32 GMT
Max has the whole 'Nanny State' leadership mentality. Meaning that he believes he knows what's best for the players, regardless of their feedback, and believes that no one can be as intelligent as he is. That "bloke" is so arrogant and his ego so big I'm amazed anyone still even acknowledges him. It would be amazing if we could get the whole forum to pretend he doesnt exist and ghost him.
|
|
DerailedWingnut
Lieutenant
Dirty Chinese Cartoons Loving Fuck
Journalists are the lowest form of a human.
Posts: 965
Likes: 1,151
Console: Xbox One
Is R35T a Skreb?: No
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"https://i.imgur.com/7bzSEZE.jpg","color":""}
Mini-Profile Name Color: 5cc824
Mini-Profile Text Color: fcf81a
Date registered: Oct 5, 2017 4:57:30 GMT
|
Post by DerailedWingnut on Jan 15, 2020 21:20:40 GMT
Max has the whole 'Nanny State' leadership mentality. Meaning that he believes he knows what's best for the players, regardless of their feedback, and believes that no one can be as intelligent as he is. That "bloke" is so arrogant and his ego so big I'm amazed anyone still even acknowledges him. It would be amazing if we could get the whole forum to pretend he doesnt exist and ghost him. Having someone as arrogant and egotistical as him get ghosted by everyone other than the ass kissers would be funny. However, it seems even when he posts his bullshit and everyone calls him out as wrong it doesn't affect him anyway. Though I like to imagine he's like this:
|
|
test777777
Sergeant
Posts: 322
Likes: 79
Console: Xbox 360/One & PS4
Preferred server: West
Is R35T a Skreb?: No
Date registered: Dec 7, 2018 9:38:56 GMT
|
Post by test777777 on Jan 17, 2020 3:33:47 GMT
Technically, they do nerf premiums. Follow me here... They do not DIRECTLY nerf a premium, but rather INDIRECTLY by designing a new premium that is just a bit more powerful than the last one. If you like your old premium, you're 'forced' to buy the new one to stay competitive, if you're an average potato. Thus, indirect nerfing. indirect nerfing aka power creeping. Are premium tanks more powerful than TT tanks these days?
|
|
test777777
Sergeant
Posts: 322
Likes: 79
Console: Xbox 360/One & PS4
Preferred server: West
Is R35T a Skreb?: No
Date registered: Dec 7, 2018 9:38:56 GMT
|
Post by test777777 on Jan 17, 2020 3:41:51 GMT
Thats a good point abiut having a negative with the gold rounds. Currently if you DON'T shoot gold, you are at an extreme disadvantage as every other player seems to. Armor means nothing at this point, unless its full of spaced hard points, which half of the new tanks seem to. The offense/defense balance was one of the drivers which pushed me out.
|
|
Ron James Dio
Lieutenant
Posts: 829
Likes: 707
Date registered: Mar 29, 2016 12:57:01 GMT
|
Post by Ron James Dio on Jan 17, 2020 7:26:54 GMT
I havent played a game yet in a tank that hasn't been shot at with gold. Nashorn? Shot by APCR lol nobody seems to care, because even a non prem player can earn 200,000 easily without a prem tank too.
I bought 4 tier X's in the last year easily, with just the money these quarterly ops gave me. Prem ammo is too easy to get. They tried to balance it by making each shot cost however much more than normal in silver, but the Deathastar firing Hesh and hitting 1 of 5 shots is still earning silver because of these ops.
I like playing heavily armoured tanks, its the playstyle that I prefer, but its become much harder to justify playing the E100, Jageroo, IS7, T110e3 and others, even Maus to a lesser extent, because prem ammo at the highest tiers mostly negates any armour a tank has. You need to perfectly angle in every tank to even have a hope in hell of bouncing any shell fired from even most light tanks.
When WotC first came out, Prem was a rare sight, being that it cost actual gold. I get the pay to win aspect of the changes, but now its so easy to earn money, why would anyone NOT fire skill?!
|
|
DerailedWingnut
Lieutenant
Dirty Chinese Cartoons Loving Fuck
Journalists are the lowest form of a human.
Posts: 965
Likes: 1,151
Console: Xbox One
Is R35T a Skreb?: No
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"https://i.imgur.com/7bzSEZE.jpg","color":""}
Mini-Profile Name Color: 5cc824
Mini-Profile Text Color: fcf81a
Date registered: Oct 5, 2017 4:57:30 GMT
|
Post by DerailedWingnut on Jan 17, 2020 18:21:53 GMT
Technically, they do nerf premiums. Follow me here... They do not DIRECTLY nerf a premium, but rather INDIRECTLY by designing a new premium that is just a bit more powerful than the last one. If you like your old premium, you're 'forced' to buy the new one to stay competitive, if you're an average potato. Thus, indirect nerfing. indirect nerfing aka power creeping. Are premium tanks more powerful than TT tanks these days? Oh absolutely. Not everything they port from PC is, but pretty much anything the console team creates, that being the mercenary frankentanks, is covered in spaced armor and generally gets better versions of the TT parts they are copying. That or they take a PC premium, cover it in spaced armor, and then sell it at an upcharge since it's just blatantly better. Like the reskinned version of the AMX-M4-49 being covered in sandbag spaced armor. They nerfed the Skoda gun at Tier 9 because it was "too powerful" despite the rest of the tank's components being mediocre. So obviously putting the un-nerfed gun in a Chieftain turret on an AMX-50-120 chassis still at tier 9 is super balanced right? Their new fetish seems to be taking a random TT tank and just giving it an autoloader. We now have an autoloading Caernarvon and T28 prototype for no reason in particular.
|
|
Ron James Dio
Lieutenant
Posts: 829
Likes: 707
Date registered: Mar 29, 2016 12:57:01 GMT
|
Post by Ron James Dio on Jan 17, 2020 22:21:18 GMT
I'm patiently waiting for an Autoloading T95. Or an Autoloading ISU-152. Maybe an Autoloading Jageroo?
I wonder what the next autoloaders will be. You can bet that they will probably have spaced armour like crazy!
|
|