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Post by Snorelacks on Aug 29, 2019 15:43:12 GMT
I suppose throughout all of this text, there's only one thing which is important - Which JRPG had too many scantily clad women with inflated breasts? To avoid making a block of text I'll just leave your last sentence in the quote. No, I'm not speaking of hentai games, or even specifically JRPGs, though that was what made me want to rant. Hentai games are a completely different thing that specializes in sex, so they have a specific goal in mind when it comes to design. By the way, JRPG literally just stands for Japanese Role Playing Game. Which generally denotes an anime art style, though not always. Funny you should mention Persona 5, as one of the recent characters people were angry about was the character Kasumi from P5. She's apparently showing too much skin in her costume and that's a bad thing for a woman to show skin. She should definitely cover up.  Another common one people are angry about are Pyra and Mythra from Xenoblade 2. They fall under the "Tig Ol' Bitties" area of protest. I've seen people talk about how they would have played the game if it didn't have these two characters with big boobs. If you're so fickle that a character having big boobs deters you from playing a game I doubt you had any intention of playing it in the first place.  On your one point, sex appeal very much matters to many of these developers, as the creator of the original thread I was playing off of even said, and I will admit I've done this too, they've only played games/watched shows because they found the characters attractive. I doubt we're the only two people like that. For example, Derpy speaks very highly of Xenoblade 2, but the driving factor making me want to play it is Mythra.  Not to mention these devs/artists don't give two shits what some random person throwing a fit on Twitter or writing some shitty article on Polygon about their character design because 80% of their audience is in Japan anyway. The main issue here, at least related to my rant, is the Western SJW types foisting their opinions on non-Western artists. The "not black enough scandal" was a Japanese artist who didn't even speak English being attacked by somebody from the US I believe. She had no concept of what "whitewashing" was because they don''t have people who make absolutely everything a race issue over there like we do here. I probably didn't address all your points, but I think I responded to the main things you mentioned? If not feel free to re-iterate your questions.  I still think Jessica Rabbit is the hottest cartoon character ever...in a movie or game!!  
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Post by DerailedWingnut on Aug 29, 2019 16:22:52 GMT
I still think Jessica Rabbit is the hottest cartoon character ever...in a movie or game!!
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Post by Snorelacks on Aug 29, 2019 16:44:13 GMT
I still think Jessica Rabbit is the hottest cartoon character ever...in a movie or game!!
Jessica Rabbit is Snore's waifu. I'm pretty sure waifus didn't exist in 1988 |
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Post by DerailedWingnut on Aug 29, 2019 17:06:19 GMT
Jessica Rabbit is Snore's waifu. I'm pretty sure waifus didn't exist in 1988 Lynn Minmay from "Super Dimension Fortress Macross a 1982 anime television series..." would like to have a word. They certainly did Snore, they certainly did. |
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Post by JesterUSMC on Aug 29, 2019 17:24:40 GMT
Jessica Rabbit is a thot.
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Post by Snorelacks on Aug 29, 2019 18:43:35 GMT
I'm pretty sure waifus didn't exist in 1988 Lynn Minmay from "Super Dimension Fortress Macross a 1982 anime television series..." would like to have a word. They certainly did Snore, they certainly did. The only thing I remember that I would even remember being close to bearing a resemblance to anime would've been Speed Racer. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 22:46:24 GMT
I haven't seen a lot of shows, but I'd have a few waifus. Ko Yagami from New Game, Paladin and Guild Girl from Goblin Slayer.
My favorite guy characters would be Goblin Slayer, Prince Zen, Yamato Kurosawa, and Kyoya Sata. It's kind of ironic those last two would make the list because they have some pretty bad qualities at times.
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Post by DerailedWingnut on Aug 29, 2019 22:59:35 GMT
I haven't seen a lot of shows, but I'd have a few waifus. Ko Yagami from New Game, Paladin and Guild Girl from Goblin Slayer. My favorite guy characters would be Goblin Slayer, Prince Zen, Yamato Kurosawa, and Kyoya Sata. It's kind of ironic those last two would make the list because they have some pretty bad qualities at times. The male equivalent of a waifu is called a husbando btw LT. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 23:34:33 GMT
I haven't seen a lot of shows, but I'd have a few waifus. Ko Yagami from New Game, Paladin and Guild Girl from Goblin Slayer. My favorite guy characters would be Goblin Slayer, Prince Zen, Yamato Kurosawa, and Kyoya Sata. It's kind of ironic those last two would make the list because they have some pretty bad qualities at times. The male equivalent of a waifu is called a husbando btw LT. Yeah, I looked that up because I wasn't sure what they're called. Seemed a little weird to call them that and also having so many. Lol. I'm sure over time my list is gonna grow even more. |
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Post by test777777 on Aug 30, 2019 8:08:17 GMT
I suppose throughout all of this text, there's only one thing which is important - Which JRPG had too many scantily clad women with inflated breasts? Funny you should mention Persona 5, as one of the recent characters people were angry about was the character Kasumi from P5. She's apparently showing too much skin in her costume and that's a bad thing for a woman to show skin. She should definitely cover up. Another common one people are angry about are Pyra and Mythra from Xenoblade 2. They fall under the "Tig Ol' Bitties" area of protest. I've seen people talk about how they would have played the game if it didn't have these two characters with big boobs. If you're so fickle that a character having big boobs deters you from playing a game I doubt you had any intention of playing it in the first place. On your one point, sex appeal very much matters to many of these developers, as the creator of the original thread I was playing off of even said, and I will admit I've done this too, they've only played games/watched shows because they found the characters attractive. I doubt we're the only two people like that. For example, Derpy speaks very highly of Xenoblade 2, but the driving factor making me want to play it is Mythra. Not to mention these devs/artists don't give two shits what some random person throwing a fit on Twitter or writing some shitty article on Polygon has to say about their character design because 80% of their audience is in Japan anyway. The main issue here, at least related to my rant, is the Western SJW types foisting their opinions on non-Western artists. The "not black enough scandal" was a Japanese artist who didn't even speak English being attacked by somebody from the US I believe. She had no concept of what "whitewashing" was because they don''t have people who make absolutely everything a race issue over there like we do here. I probably didn't address all your points, but I think I responded to the main things you mentioned? If not feel free to re-iterate your questions. I'm not very good at editing and inserting images properly. Please bear with me. The heroine/hero style as portrayed by artists in western and eastern media tends to charicature aspects of the female form and masculine forms and doing so is not necessarily primarily to provide sexual objectification. I'm sure there is some of that and i've heard stories of some guys spending time playing tombraider because they liked the view provided of Lara Croft from behind which is the perspective provided to the player. Regarding Kasumi from persona 5. She's probably closer to the proportions of a fit Asian adult female, breasts certainly aren't overly enhanced and the costume and getup is in line with the character and genre(masked thief) too. It does have that zettai ryoki thing which is possibly deliberately intended to be sexually alluring but it's not over the top, hardly the focus and less face it, it's sort of practical for freedom of movement although, the jacket/dress tails would get in the way. It also shows less skin than say a Tango dancer might in real life who unlike Kasumi doesn't wear boots above the knees. Kasumi's phantom thief getup is pretty much in line with western archetypical atire and i'd suggest on the modest side. Ranting about her is silly. zettai ryoki is something which probably seperates east and west styles in some cases with short skirts being quite prevalent. Here's a list(with images)of 100 or so DC comic book heroines, sure it's not a video game but the archetypical female western style heroine is shown and there's just as much chest and skin shown. Males often have exaggerated chest size, arm size and skin or tight fitting lycra too I can't relate to watching shows or playing video games for sexual gratification reasons however, I do find around 65% of the toons I create in MMOs are female and it usually comes down to more pleasing to the eye but not in a sexual way. Well, at least I don't think so. I, in many instances prefer the animation and voices which accompanies a female protagonist. I know that some characters are deliberately intended to be likeable for their sexuality and to promote certain dialogue and relationship pathways such as Miranda Lawson in the Mass effect universe. I totally hear you in regard to the black thing. www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2019/01/19/our-lives/someone-lost-noodle-making-new-nissin-ad-featuring-naomi-osaka/#.XWjY9m5uLmR |
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Post by test777777 on Aug 30, 2019 10:19:38 GMT
To avoid making a block of text I'll just leave your last sentence in the quote. No, I'm not speaking of hentai games, or even specifically JRPGs, though that was what made me want to rant. Hentai games are a completely different thing that specializes in sex, so they have a specific goal in mind when it comes to design. I still think Jessica Rabbit is the hottest cartoon character ever...in a movie or game!!
why is it that when toons and real actors interact on screen the supposedly sexy female protagonist seems to be a doe rabbit/human hybrid? Is it some kind of playboy reference? Take Bugs bunny's girlfriend in Space Jam for example...  Jessica was far classier, sassier and had more sex appeal mind you probably because she was was portrayed as a more high society, classier cabaret singer. |
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Post by imhidingshh on Aug 30, 2019 13:18:13 GMT
Does anyone else think that WG haven't bothered with fixing the MM because they want steamroll games because if keeps the queues packed out? I can believe that any dev would be that incompetent as to leave it like this.
It's just steamroll after steamroll, no wonder the game has lost 30,000 from me leaving and coming back. Their ego's are just too big to see it.
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Post by Snorelacks on Aug 30, 2019 13:26:48 GMT
Does anyone else think that WG haven't bothered with fixing the MM because they want steamroll games because if keeps the queues packed out? I can believe that any dev would be that incompetent as to leave it like this. It's just steamroll after steamroll, no wonder the game has lost 30,000 from me leaving and coming back. Their ego's are just too big to see it. IMO...the MM is the biggest issue with this game...I played a short stint two days ago (I think 9 battles) and took 3 screenshots of totally fucked MM. |
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Post by DerailedWingnut on Aug 30, 2019 14:31:08 GMT
I'm not very good at editing and inserting images properly. Please bear with me. The heroine/hero style as portrayed by artists in western and eastern media tends to charicature aspects of the female form and masculine forms and doing so is not necessarily primarily to provide sexual objectification. I'm sure there is some of that and i've heard stories of some guys spending time playing tombraider because they liked the view provided of Lara Croft from behind which is the perspective provided to the player. Regarding Kasumi from persona 5. She's probably closer to the proportions of a fit Asian adult female, breasts certainly aren't overly enhanced and the costume and getup is in line with the character and genre(masked thief) too. It does have that zettai ryoki thing which is possibly deliberately intended to be sexually alluring but it's not over the top, hardly the focus and less face it, it's sort of practical for freedom of movement although, the jacket/dress tails would get in the way. It also shows less skin than say a Tango dancer might in real life who unlike Kasumi doesn't wear boots above the knees. Kasumi's phantom thief getup is pretty much in line with western archetypical atire and i'd suggest on the modest side. Ranting about her is silly. zettai ryoki is something which probably seperates east and west styles in some cases with short skirts being quite prevalent. Here's a list(with images)of 100 or so DC comic book heroines, sure it's not a video game but the archetypical female western style heroine is shown and there's just as much chest and skin shown. Males often have exaggerated chest size, arm size and skin or tight fitting lycra too I can't relate to watching shows or playing video games for sexual gratification reasons however, I do find around 65% of the toons I create in MMOs are female and it usually comes down to more pleasing to the eye but not in a sexual way. Well, at least I don't think so. I, in many instances prefer the animation and voices which accompanies a female protagonist. I know that some characters are deliberately intended to be likeable for their sexuality and to promote certain dialogue and relationship pathways such as Miranda Lawson in the Mass effect universe. I totally hear you in regard to the black thing. www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2019/01/19/our-lives/someone-lost-noodle-making-new-nissin-ad-featuring-naomi-osaka/#.XWjY9m5uLmRI'll clarify that I didn't mean "I only played this game becuase this character can get me off" when I mentioned I've picked games up for character design, I'm more in the same ballpark as you. If I'm going to dump 10's, maybe 100's of hours into something I want to have a visually pleasing experience. That's the reason I only play the Pokemon games as the female avatar anymore. Plus, I like the more expanded clothing customization provided to the female avatars. So in a way, I like to dress up my virtual doll I guess? The fact that this type of thing is present in Western media like you pointed out makes these people seem hypocritical. You'd think with the fact that Hollywood seems to have forgotten how to make anything other than a superhero movie people would have noticed that by now. |
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Post by imhidingshh on Aug 30, 2019 17:10:46 GMT
Does anyone else think that WG haven't bothered with fixing the MM because they want steamroll games because if keeps the queues packed out? I can believe that any dev would be that incompetent as to leave it like this. It's just steamroll after steamroll, no wonder the game has lost 30,000 from me leaving and coming back. Their ego's are just too big to see it. IMO...the MM is the biggest issue with this game...I played a short stint two days ago (I think 9 battles) and took 3 screenshots of totally fucked MM. Definitely, I think it's stupid how it works now. I'd get rid of 5 man platoons personally, yeah it's fun to platoon with 4 mates but I think it's the main cause of the problems with MM. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 18:45:16 GMT
I still think Jessica Rabbit is the hottest cartoon character ever...in a movie or game!!
why is it that when toons and real actors interact on screen the supposedly sexy female protagonist seems to be a doe rabbit/human hybrid? Is it some kind of playboy reference? I'm not sure that's it completely though I imagine in some instances that's what they're referencing. I think it's just easier to make those work. I doubt a female hedgehog character would have as much sex appeal so to speak. Like in literature, there are certain creatures that are often used to describe beauty such as does, horses, etc. |
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Post by Snorelacks on Aug 30, 2019 22:58:12 GMT
why is it that when toons and real actors interact on screen the supposedly sexy female protagonist seems to be a doe rabbit/human hybrid? Is it some kind of playboy reference? I'm not sure that's it completely though I imagine in some instances that's what they're referencing. I think it's just easier to make those work. I doubt a female hedgehog character would have as much sex appeal so to speak. Like in literature, there are certain creatures that are often used to describe beauty such as does, horses, etc. I think the Pig is the sexiest animal ever created...you can feed it garbage and you’ll always get bacon...and who doesn’t want to let their mouth and stomach make love to bacon? |
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Post by test777777 on Sept 2, 2019 4:16:31 GMT
I'm not very good at editing and inserting images properly. Please bear with me. The heroine/hero style as portrayed by artists in western and eastern media tends to charicature aspects of the female form and masculine forms and doing so is not necessarily primarily to provide sexual objectification. I'm sure there is some of that and i've heard stories of some guys spending time playing tombraider because they liked the view provided of Lara Croft from behind which is the perspective provided to the player. Regarding Kasumi from persona 5. She's probably closer to the proportions of a fit Asian adult female, breasts certainly aren't overly enhanced and the costume and getup is in line with the character and genre(masked thief) too. It does have that zettai ryoki thing which is possibly deliberately intended to be sexually alluring but it's not over the top, hardly the focus and less face it, it's sort of practical for freedom of movement although, the jacket/dress tails would get in the way. It also shows less skin than say a Tango dancer might in real life who unlike Kasumi doesn't wear boots above the knees. Kasumi's phantom thief getup is pretty much in line with western archetypical atire and i'd suggest on the modest side. Ranting about her is silly. zettai ryoki is something which probably seperates east and west styles in some cases with short skirts being quite prevalent. Here's a list(with images)of 100 or so DC comic book heroines, sure it's not a video game but the archetypical female western style heroine is shown and there's just as much chest and skin shown. Males often have exaggerated chest size, arm size and skin or tight fitting lycra too I can't relate to watching shows or playing video games for sexual gratification reasons however, I do find around 65% of the toons I create in MMOs are female and it usually comes down to more pleasing to the eye but not in a sexual way. Well, at least I don't think so. I, in many instances prefer the animation and voices which accompanies a female protagonist. I know that some characters are deliberately intended to be likeable for their sexuality and to promote certain dialogue and relationship pathways such as Miranda Lawson in the Mass effect universe. I totally hear you in regard to the black thing. www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2019/01/19/our-lives/someone-lost-noodle-making-new-nissin-ad-featuring-naomi-osaka/#.XWjY9m5uLmRThe fact that this type of thing is present in Western media like you pointed out makes these people seem hypocritical. You'd think with the fact that Hollywood seems to have forgotten how to make anything other than a superhero movie people would have noticed that by now. Hypocrites - yes. They're probably the same type who sat in the Audience drooling over Chris Hemsworth on the Ellen show. |
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Post by test777777 on Sept 2, 2019 4:36:54 GMT
why is it that when toons and real actors interact on screen the supposedly sexy female protagonist seems to be a doe rabbit/human hybrid? Is it some kind of playboy reference? I'm not sure that's it completely though I imagine in some instances that's what they're referencing. I think it's just easier to make those work. I doubt a female hedgehog character would have as much sex appeal so to speak.
I just can't think of any where real life actors mix it up with them apart from bunnies except possibly Miss Piggy
Regarding Hedgehogs. Amy Rose aka Rosey the Rascal was/is a hedgehog I think - female version of Sonic the Hedghog. To be fair though, neither Amy or Sonic look like hedgehogs and without "the hedgehog" part, you'd be hard pressed to know they were hedgehogs.
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Post by ZER01025 on Sept 3, 2019 2:10:53 GMT
I decided to play Wows earlier this evening, like around 6:00. It's 9:06 now and I'm only at 53% on the update! The excitement of playing after months of inactivity is turning into fustration of "when do I get to play?" I feel like if I had just uninstalled and reinstalled I would actually be playing already. Ooh it just moved to 54%!
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