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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 13:05:31 GMT
I read through a topic on the wot forum about the war chests.
Since I began playing this game, I've often seen a lot of it as similar to a casino. Most of the time, I just ignore that fact. With the war chests that you can purchase, I'm trying to think through--is that really gambling or not?
It could be compared to buying scratch-off cards, but I think it could also be compared to buying cereal boxes with a 'prize' inside. Maybe. With scratch-off cards, you aren't guaranteed a win--I don't think. I bought some one time. I think I spent $5-10 dollars on about 5 cards. I think I barely got my money back which taught me the lesson that I wouldn't be doing that anymore. Personally, I'm not going to be buying any of the war chests-not because I think it's a moral issue, but because I don't want to lay down my money on that. I'd rather know for sure what I'd be getting.
As with anything else, I don't want to argue with anyone. I'm just wondering what you all would consider gambling?
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Post by LIBARYKEEPER483 on Oct 24, 2018 13:20:14 GMT
I just can't wait for ass kissing forumers to absolutely get showered in war chests lol.
Seriously though I personally don't think it's gambling, because you are guaranteed to win at least something even if that thing is worth less than what you paid. A slot machine or lotto ticket could just take your money and not give you shit.
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Post by Snorelacks on Oct 24, 2018 13:32:52 GMT
I guess at a basic level it's a game of chance given that there are odds that you will or won't get certain "things" of value. I understand the concern that some have regarding people that will spend a ton of money in hopes of winning a big prize. Similar to the folks who spend large amounts of money on lottery tickets even though they're the last ones who should be spending their money foolishly.
However, I do take a bit of offense at those that worry about young children who will go hog wild spending money on these war chests. My simple question is, "where are their parents"? There would be no concern at all for children if their parents actually supervised what their children were doing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 16:12:09 GMT
I understand the concern that some have regarding people that will spend a ton of money in hopes of winning a big prize. Similar to the folks who spend large amounts of money on lottery tickets even though they're the last ones who should be spending their money foolishly.
I've never really been concerned for people in this way. I mean--I don't like to see people addicted to or trapped by various things. But I've thought it was their choice whether or not to participate. It's not something I really support, but I also don't have a strong opinion or conviction regarding gambling. I would personally see it as greed and wanting something you don't have. But at the same time, I'm not seeing it as bad as I would see doing drugs or stealing.
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Post by Dyslexsticks on Oct 24, 2018 16:42:12 GMT
I think snores reply sums it up perfectly. When it comes to things like that I wouldn't spend money on it personally, I don't want to gamble for a digital product I could only make use of in that rather narrow spectrum. I have however gambled a maximum of £10 a month before on lottery tickets because hey, if I do win, I can spend that shite on anything right?
When I noticed I wasn't really making anything besides earning some small satisfaction of having a moderate win, I instead decided to increase the money going into my savings account every week.
As a retail assistant, I've seen some really sad cases, a member of staff I know goes to purchase scratchcards every time she goes on break, someone turned in around £50 worth of tickets to only get a fiver and a free dip.
It's weird isn't it? From what I've heard it's as though people never criticise the lottery, but those in game lootboxes in which you get at least something guaranteed every time are the devil.
I'm not a big fan of neither reality's take on gambling but generally hold something like a raw cash prize to spend on anything you want (which could cover the bases of in game content if you so choose), at a higher value than something locked to one game.
I don't really think lootboxes are going to go away based on the general hate for them, it just makes too good business sense to do them or other microtransactions in some form, however in some cases I do wish more people would have a better grip on what is valuable to them, and learn how to watch and spend their money carefully.
Thankfully nobody I've seen looks like they've spent so much that it impacts their lives, usually it's OAPs looking to increase their pension money stocks.
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Post by R35T NO MORE on Oct 24, 2018 16:53:09 GMT
Gambling can easily lead to stealing. Like drug addicts, a gambling addict won't be beyond stealing to fund the habit. For a long time i was impressed that WG hadn't resorted to using loot boxes. Now i'm just hoping they don't try to shove them in people's faces when they log in. They aren't something i agree with and i think any game that has them should have an age limit regardless of how careful the parents are. Just to show game devs and publishers that laws (where applicable at least) apply to them too. EA is making it clear that they believe they are above such things.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 17:05:00 GMT
Gambling can easily lead to stealing. Like drug addicts, a gambling addict won't be beyond stealing to fund the habit. I tried to edit my response. I did think about that afterward. I think greed is the unseen evil that drives all these behaviors. This conversation is helpful for me because I am wishy-washy when it comes to gambling. I've bought some scratch-off cards and I think that's my extent at 'gambling'. It's not really affected my family or me personally like alcohol or drug addiction has. That's probably why I think the way I do about it.
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Post by R35T NO MORE on Oct 24, 2018 17:09:00 GMT
Gambling can easily lead to stealing. Like drug addicts, a gambling addict won't be beyond stealing to fund the habit. I tried to edit my response. I did think about that afterward. I think greed is the unseen evil that drives all these behaviors. This conversation is helpful for me because I am wishy-washy when it comes to gambling. I've bought some scratch-off cards and I think that's my extent at 'gambling'. It's not really affected my family or me personally like alcohol or drug addiction has. That's probably why I think the way I do about it. Fair enough :-)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 17:13:35 GMT
It's weird isn't it? From what I've heard it's as though people never criticise the lottery, but those in game lootboxes in which you get at least something guaranteed every time are the devil. That's why I wanted to talk about this. Several people were calling the chests 'loot boxes' and calling it 'gambling'. But I wasn't really sure it is gambling. I don't have much gaming experience and even less with loot boxes so I'm not even sure how that works. I watched an anime where a character put money on their account and got loot and all that so I think the majority of the time it's something being paid for. But I also thought it might be called a loot box if it's some kind of in game 'prize' you win.
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Post by DerailedWingnut on Oct 24, 2018 18:23:32 GMT
As far as I'm concerned loot boxes of any type, so long as they can be purchased with real money, are gambling. Even if you are guaranteed a prize, like you are with all loot boxes, it's still gambling. Hell, several countries have now legally defined loot boxes as gambling. It's a game of chance that costs money to play, and there is no guarantee what the worth of your prize is going to be. They literally fall into the definition of gambling if you want to be technical about it.  I pretty much have Jim Sterling's PoV when it comes to loot boxes. They are designed to prey on people with addictive tendencies to get them to keep buying in hopes they get that grand prize. It's literally no different than buying a lottery ticket in that regard. I knew as soon as war chests became a thing they were eventually going to sell them in the store (Even though they said they weren't going to). I'm with R35T, it's genuinely surprising to me it took them this long to sell loot boxes. Especially with all the cheap ways WGCB tries to make money like reskinning tanks over and over again without doing any kind of real modification to performance to distinguish them from the regular vehicle. Obviously it's none of my concern now, and WoT gets slightly more leniency from me since it is a F2P game. That being said I still despise loot boxes in any form, despite playing gacha games on my phone, and think they are a terrible thing for the game industry in general.
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Post by Snorelacks on Oct 24, 2018 18:34:23 GMT
It's weird isn't it? From what I've heard it's as though people never criticise the lottery, but those in game lootboxes in which you get at least something guaranteed every time are the devil. That's why I wanted to talk about this. Several people were calling the chests 'loot boxes' and calling it 'gambling'. But I wasn't really sure it is gambling. I don't have much gaming experience and even less with loot boxes so I'm not even sure how that works. I watched an anime where a character put money on their account and got loot and all that so I think the majority of the time it's something being paid for. But I also thought it might be called a loot box if it's some kind of in game 'prize' you win. I would certainly classify them as gambling, and I find them silly TBH. That said, this is the only game I've ever played, but I understand that some other games have gone down this route. I can't say I'm surprised that WG is offering them as I feel that they have chosen a path long ago regarding maximizing profits at the expense of improving core game issues such as balance, MM, physics, etc.
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Post by Atom Priest on Oct 24, 2018 18:37:00 GMT
Paying for a chance to win an item. Which is gambling. I find cosmetics to be the worst. They don't affect gameplay so even if you win that 1337 texture after 1000000 tries you sill lose value. Just so your virtual character can look good. It's completely vain and shows that you're vulnerable. This is exploited to the fullest. Disgusting.
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Post by imhidingshh on Oct 24, 2018 18:45:59 GMT
I'm pretty sure there a few European Countries trying to ban real money loot boxes from games because it's gambling and is illegal for children to participate. Personally I'm ok with it as long as they don't cost real money, like the daily ones in WT or the ones you get for levelling up in Forza Horizon 4.
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