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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 23:30:20 GMT
When it comes to various tank guns, I'm clueless. I'm kind of envious how so many know what a 57 MM gun is or whatever other gun it may be. My dad showed me some things about a handgun when I was younger, but other than that, I've just never been taught any of this kind of stuff.
I'd like to learn, but not really sure where to start.
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Post by chimonakimi on Sept 9, 2018 1:31:52 GMT
I'm slightly unsure what you're asking for, do you mean just by the looks on tanks?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 2:21:04 GMT
I'm slightly unsure what you're asking for, do you mean just by the looks on tanks? A lot of the people I've heard talking about tanks can spout off all the various guns it has, know how they all look and work. They know all about the damage and pen they can do. And on and on. I don't know why a gun is called a 57 mm, what it can do, or when to use a certain one. I'd like to better know what people are talking about and be able to talk about it too instead of sitting over here having to look everything up or just make the best guess I can.
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Post by RagingxMarmoset on Sept 9, 2018 3:42:30 GMT
Guns are referred to, most often, by the inside diameter of their barrel. Therefore, a 57mm gun has a diameter of 57mm. You'll also note that many guns will be described thus: 8.8cm L/71. This refers to a gun with a barrel diameter of 8.8cm (or 88 millimeters), with a barrel length of 71 calibers. In other words, multiply the diameter, in this case 88 millimeters, by 71 and you get the barrel length.
Larger calibers are generally preferred, however that's not always the case. The Panzer IV H has an available 105 mm gun. While it's reasonably effective, it's nowhere near as good as the 88mm guns found later. The longer barreled 88 can fire a projectile much faster, impart greater energy, and therefore penetrate more armor.
Things get muddy very quickly. The depth and breadth of guns used on armored fighting vehicles is staggering. Calibers from machine gun size (7.92mm) to naval artillery size (203mm), some extremely capable, some not so much. Something I did was start using Wikipedia (I know, I know. It's generally accurate) to look up guns I found interesting. It is a rabbit hole, but can be immensely interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 18:36:41 GMT
Guns are referred to, most often, by the inside diameter of their barrel. Therefore, a 57mm gun has a diameter of 57mm. You'll also note that many guns will be described thus: 8.8cm L/71. This refers to a gun with a barrel diameter of 8.8cm (or 88 millimeters), with a barrel length of 71 calibers. In other words, multiply the diameter, in this case 88 millimeters, by 71 and you get the barrel length. Larger calibers are generally preferred, however that's not always the case. The Panzer IV H has an available 105 mm gun. While it's reasonably effective, it's nowhere near as good as the 88mm guns found later. The longer barreled 88 can fire a projectile much faster, impart greater energy, and therefore penetrate more armor. Things get muddy very quickly. The depth and breadth of guns used on armored fighting vehicles is staggering. Calibers from machine gun size (7.92mm) to naval artillery size (203mm), some extremely capable, some not so much. Something I did was start using Wikipedia (I know, I know. It's generally accurate) to look up guns I found interesting. It is a rabbit hole, but can be immensely interesting. Thanks! That helps quite a bit.
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Post by RagingxMarmoset on Sept 9, 2018 19:36:09 GMT
Guns are referred to, most often, by the inside diameter of their barrel. Therefore, a 57mm gun has a diameter of 57mm. You'll also note that many guns will be described thus: 8.8cm L/71. This refers to a gun with a barrel diameter of 8.8cm (or 88 millimeters), with a barrel length of 71 calibers. In other words, multiply the diameter, in this case 88 millimeters, by 71 and you get the barrel length. Larger calibers are generally preferred, however that's not always the case. The Panzer IV H has an available 105 mm gun. While it's reasonably effective, it's nowhere near as good as the 88mm guns found later. The longer barreled 88 can fire a projectile much faster, impart greater energy, and therefore penetrate more armor. Things get muddy very quickly. The depth and breadth of guns used on armored fighting vehicles is staggering. Calibers from machine gun size (7.92mm) to naval artillery size (203mm), some extremely capable, some not so much. Something I did was start using Wikipedia (I know, I know. It's generally accurate) to look up guns I found interesting. It is a rabbit hole, but can be immensely interesting. Thanks! That helps quite a bit. No problem. Please don't take this as condescension, but do you understand how the penetration values work as they're listed in WoT? It's extremely important as you learn the game to understand what you guns can and can't do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 20:28:55 GMT
Thanks! That helps quite a bit. No problem. Please don't take this as condescension, but do you understand how the penetration values work as they're listed in WoT? It's extremely important as you learn the game to understand what you guns can and can't do. The way I understand it is the higher the number, the more chance of going through the armor if your shot hits. That's about it. The difference between damage and pen I'm not sure either because I would think pen is doing damage too. I'm guessing that a bullet going clean through the armor might not do much damage as far as debilitating the tank. The tank could still possibly drive if it's penned. Whereas if it's badly damaged, it'll likely be stuck. And that is me guessing the difference between the two.
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Post by chimonakimi on Sept 9, 2018 22:40:52 GMT
No problem. Please don't take this as condescension, but do you understand how the penetration values work as they're listed in WoT? It's extremely important as you learn the game to understand what you guns can and can't do. The way I understand it is the higher the number, the more chance of going through the armor if your shot hits. That's about it. The difference between damage and pen I'm not sure either because I would think pen is doing damage too. I'm guessing that a bullet going clean through the armor might not do much damage as far as debilitating the tank. The tank could still possibly drive if it's penned. Whereas if it's badly damaged, it'll likely be stuck. And that is me guessing the difference between the two. Penetration is literally just your chance of going through the armour you're shooting at, it doesn't affect anything else. Your damage is obviously the damage you'll do, providing the shell penetrates. They both have RNG attached to them, +25%/-25% So, say you have 400 alpha damage, you can do anywhere from 300 to 500 damage per shot.
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