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Post by Shhhhh on Jul 23, 2018 15:54:50 GMT
Why you say that about nuclear? A lot depends on what part of the country you live in. I was joking and also thinking of a more serious kind of nuclear situation. I am under the impression that if the United States were to be affected, it would take out everybody and make our whole country unlivable. But maybe not the case. No worries, growing up I had some interesting books to read courtesy of my dad( surviving the holocaust, anarchists cookbook, poor man's James Bond 1&2 etc)
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Post by Shhhhh on Jul 23, 2018 16:02:19 GMT
I doubt it could, I've never heard of it being done at least and not sure how the frame would take the extra abuse. That being said, there are over/under rifle shotgun combination weapons. I have no experience with them so I can't say anything to how effective they would be. I would take a revolver as well, given the lack of small parts compared to a semi auto. Depending on what you intend to use it for. Also other things to consider, will you be solo or with family/friends, plan on being mobile or staying in place and fortifying. What general area of the continent will you be when the disaster happens( I.E where you live don't have to say where) could impact things. You plan on hunting, do you know how to properly field dress what you kill. Cutting into the wrong part( bladder) can spoil the meat. Etc, etc, etc ( sorry lol) If you can find it, there was an excellent book Mel Tappans survival guns. It's older but I believe the infor provided is still relevant today. The only things worth eating in my corner of England are wild fowl, farm animals, rabbits, hares and the occasional muntjac. I forgot you was in England. I'm not very familiar with the firearms laws there, other than your access is restricted iirc. Are you able to keep any firearms with you at home or are they secured off site?
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Post by I AM The Scouting Authority. on Jul 23, 2018 16:06:29 GMT
The only things worth eating in my corner of England are wild fowl, farm animals, rabbits, hares and the occasional muntjac. I forgot you was in England. I'm not very familiar with the firearms laws there, other than your access is restricted iirc. Are you able to keep any firearms with you at home or are they secured off site? Cant have a handgun but this is allowed www.gunstar.co.uk/dsr-precision-dsr-1-bolt-action-308-rifles/rifles/937869As are most shotguns including semi auto . And live 105mm field howitzers. Any firearms and ammunition may be kept in the home in a locked case secured to a wall.
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Post by Valkyrie on Jul 23, 2018 16:06:42 GMT
The only things worth eating in my corner of England are wild fowl, farm animals, rabbits, hares and the occasional muntjac. I forgot you was in England. I'm not very familiar with the firearms laws there, other than your access is restricted iirc. Are you able to keep any firearms with you at home or are they secured off site? Yes, we keep our guns in one safe and the ammo in another. We can basically own whatever bolt action we want live, and we're allowed some semi-automatic rifles, but nearly always .22 Same goes with shotguns (aside from obvious things like sawn offs, they have to be a certain length, similar to America's barrel laws regarding most weapons, specifically in mind, rifles)
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Post by I AM The Scouting Authority. on Jul 23, 2018 16:43:44 GMT
I forgot you was in England. I'm not very familiar with the firearms laws there, other than your access is restricted iirc. Are you able to keep any firearms with you at home or are they secured off site? Yes, we keep our guns in one safe and the ammo in another. We can basically own whatever bolt action we want live, and we're allowed some semi-automatic rifles, but nearly always .22 Same goes with shotguns (aside from obvious things like sawn offs, they have to be a certain length, similar to America's barrel laws regarding most weapons, specifically in mind, rifles) You forgot unrifled field guns. They can be held on a shotgun licence
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Post by LIBARYKEEPER483 on Jul 23, 2018 17:57:35 GMT
Is it possible something like the DSR-1 (I know its foregoing the wooden stock) could be fitted with an underslung shotgun. As for the handgun it would have to be a balance of stopping power against size. Although in a survivalist situation Id probably consider picking the simplicity of a revolver over a semi auto pistol. I doubt it could, I've never heard of it being done at least and not sure how the frame would take the extra abuse. That being said, there are over/under rifle shotgun combination weapons. I have no experience with them so I can't say anything to how effective they would be. I would take a revolver as well, given the lack of small parts compared to a semi auto. Depending on what you intend to use it for. Also other things to consider, will you be solo or with family/friends, plan on being mobile or staying in place and fortifying. What general area of the continent will you be when the disaster happens( I.E where you live don't have to say where) could impact things. You plan on hunting, do you know how to properly field dress what you kill. Cutting into the wrong part( bladder) can spoil the meat. Etc, etc, etc ( sorry lol) If you can find it, there was an excellent book Mel Tappans survival guns. It's older but I believe the infor provided is still relevant today. I plan on fleeing to the semi-rual areas of northern Indiana which is mainly flat farmland and dense woods, I chose that as a significant amount of the houses that are connected directly to well water sources meaning if SHTF and it's not the nuclear kind then having access to practically clean water should be fairly easy. While I know I will most likely go insane because of it, but I will be alone. I have watched enough walking dead and naked and afraid to know how much other people will most likely slow you down. Lastly I plan to fortify and try to get through whatever is going on. However there is one problem, my vision is bad on one of my eyes particularly my right one. I can't aim well as when I close my left everything gets too blurry and I can't really see what im shooting at very well. I've tried using my left eye for aiming, but it is just to wonky for me.
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Post by Valkyrie on Jul 23, 2018 18:23:03 GMT
I doubt it could, I've never heard of it being done at least and not sure how the frame would take the extra abuse. That being said, there are over/under rifle shotgun combination weapons. I have no experience with them so I can't say anything to how effective they would be. I would take a revolver as well, given the lack of small parts compared to a semi auto. Depending on what you intend to use it for. Also other things to consider, will you be solo or with family/friends, plan on being mobile or staying in place and fortifying. What general area of the continent will you be when the disaster happens( I.E where you live don't have to say where) could impact things. You plan on hunting, do you know how to properly field dress what you kill. Cutting into the wrong part( bladder) can spoil the meat. Etc, etc, etc ( sorry lol) If you can find it, there was an excellent book Mel Tappans survival guns. It's older but I believe the infor provided is still relevant today. I plan on fleeing to the semi-rual areas of northern Indiana which is mainly flat farmland and dense woods, I chose that as a significant amount of the houses that are connected directly to well water sources meaning if SHTF and it's not the nuclear kind then having access to practically clean water should be fairly easy. While I know I will most likely go insane because of it, but I will be alone. I have watched enough walking dead and naked and afraid to know how much other people will most likely slow you down. Lastly I plan to fortify and try to get through whatever is going on. However there is one problem, my vision is bad on one of my eyes particularly my right one. I can't aim well as when I close my left everything gets too blurry and I can't really see what im shooting at very well. I've tried using my left eye for aiming, but it is just to wonky for me. Also to entertain the thought more, make sure you're in peak physical fitness, you're going to have to be relatively strong and have good endurance
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Post by Atom Priest on Jul 23, 2018 18:40:10 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TP-82However it used two different types of ammo and the ammunition is no longer in use. If you somehow could find the ammo for it the TP would be pretty good.
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Post by YureiKuma on Jul 23, 2018 18:46:48 GMT
OP, based on your listed requirements, I'd probably be looking for a Savage or Ruger Scout rifle in .308. Both have detachable magazines that you would want to stock-up on, but other than that, they offer good performance in an affordable package. I'd prefer that they used M1A/M14 magazines, but only the Mossberg MVP uses those right now and I'm not a fan of their rifles.
.308 Winchester/7.62x51 ammo is plentiful, accurate enough, and powerful enough to satisfy your needs.
I would also highly recommend a .22 rifle and pistol, a good 12 gauge pump, and your choice of a 9mm semi-auto or a .357 magnum revolver stored securely but where you can access them in a time of need. This provides you with a solid firearm foundation that you can then expand upon if you feel the need. Make sure you have a good supply of ammunition and spare parts for your basics prior to adding additional calibers.
One thing I've seen repeatedly amongst my friends and fellow shooters is a partial preparedness mindset that only focuses on weapons. They love to go on and on about how "ready" they are, and what guns and ammo they have, but when I ask about their food/water/first aid supplies they look chagrined and mutter things like "I'll get around to it". They like to focus on the "tactical" and ignore the practical as it is not "fun".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 18:48:09 GMT
I doubt it could, I've never heard of it being done at least and not sure how the frame would take the extra abuse. That being said, there are over/under rifle shotgun combination weapons. I have no experience with them so I can't say anything to how effective they would be. I would take a revolver as well, given the lack of small parts compared to a semi auto. Depending on what you intend to use it for. Also other things to consider, will you be solo or with family/friends, plan on being mobile or staying in place and fortifying. What general area of the continent will you be when the disaster happens( I.E where you live don't have to say where) could impact things. You plan on hunting, do you know how to properly field dress what you kill. Cutting into the wrong part( bladder) can spoil the meat. Etc, etc, etc ( sorry lol) If you can find it, there was an excellent book Mel Tappans survival guns. It's older but I believe the infor provided is still relevant today. I plan on fleeing to the semi-rual areas of northern Indiana which is mainly flat farmland and dense woods, I chose that as a significant amount of the houses that are connected directly to well water sources meaning if SHTF and it's not the nuclear kind then having access to practically clean water should be fairly easy. While I know I will most likely go insane because of it, but I will be alone. I have watched enough walking dead and naked and afraid to know how much other people will most likely slow you down. Lastly I plan to fortify and try to get through whatever is going on. However there is one problem, my vision is bad on one of my eyes particularly my right one. I can't aim well as when I close my left everything gets too blurry and I can't really see what im shooting at very well. I've tried using my left eye for aiming, but it is just to wonky for me. This plan of yours is making me laugh, but I guess it's better than no plan at all. You're probably more likely to get caught in a snow storm. I'm not laughing at your potential scary situation, but you taking tips from the Walking Dead. Lol.
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Post by defiantspurr on Jul 23, 2018 19:08:09 GMT
I've always liked the idea of having one of the large caliber hunting air guns. Easy to maintain.
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Post by LIBARYKEEPER483 on Jul 23, 2018 19:16:35 GMT
I plan on fleeing to the semi-rual areas of northern Indiana which is mainly flat farmland and dense woods, I chose that as a significant amount of the houses that are connected directly to well water sources meaning if SHTF and it's not the nuclear kind then having access to practically clean water should be fairly easy. While I know I will most likely go insane because of it, but I will be alone. I have watched enough walking dead and naked and afraid to know how much other people will most likely slow you down. Lastly I plan to fortify and try to get through whatever is going on. However there is one problem, my vision is bad on one of my eyes particularly my right one. I can't aim well as when I close my left everything gets too blurry and I can't really see what im shooting at very well. I've tried using my left eye for aiming, but it is just to wonky for me. This plan of yours is making me laugh, but I guess it's better than no plan at all. You're probably more likely to get caught in a snow storm. I'm not laughing at your potential scary situation, but you taking tips from the Walking Dead. Lol. Yeah just kinda pulled that one out my ass, Hollywood TV shows are probably one of the worst places to get survival advice from, and you're probably right about getting caught up and dieing in a snow storm, I mean it is the Midwest after all.
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Post by YureiKuma on Jul 23, 2018 19:33:51 GMT
Yeah just kinda pulled that one out my ass, Hollywood TV shows are probably one of the worst places to get survival advice from, and you're probably right about getting caught up and dieing in a snow storm, I mean it is the Midwest after all. Ok, here's the good news; at least you're thinking about it! That puts you ahead of 95% of the population.
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Post by Shhhhh on Jul 23, 2018 19:51:03 GMT
One thing I've seen repeatedly amongst my friends and fellow shooters is a partial preparedness mindset that only focuses on weapons. They love to go on and on about how "ready" they are, and what guns and ammo they have, but when I ask about their food/water/first aid supplies they look chagrined and mutter things like "I'll get around to it". They like to focus on the "tactical" and ignore the practical as it is not "fun". That is a mistake I see many make. I know guys who are better armed than some small town police departments, but if you ask them if they have the rest needed they give me a blank look. If you plan on staying mobile you need everything from a decent hatchet and knife, light tent, sleeping bag appropriate for your area/season, a small pot or pan to cook with,etc, etc, etc. Water can be rough, it's heavy in even medium amounts for not a lot water, and can be noisy when the containers are not full. Also, dry socks. Some laugh at this but trust me on this. Make sure whatever boots/shoes you are wearing are broken in. You don't want to start a survival hike in brand new boots that are not broken in. Anything else I'm missing Yurei?
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Post by YureiKuma on Jul 23, 2018 20:52:22 GMT
Off the top of my head:
A quality rucksack that you have practiced with. Gear is great but you have to be able to carry it.
I cannot stress how important it is to be able to make fire. Think about it. Fire allows you to convert raw meat to food, boil water to drink, provide light and heat in the night, ward off natural predators, and it makes a dandy weapon if needed.
Quality rope and/or paracord. Often overlooked but unbelievably useful.
Water filtration. With all the crap that's in our water supplies, this is a critical element. Dysentery can kill you or, at the very least, make you wish you were dead.
A well stocked first aid kit with a manual. Sewing yourself-up sucks. (Been there) Bleeding out because you didn't know how to stop it sucks harder.
Fishing line and hooks. If there is a nearby steam, odds are there's food swimming in it. Also, good monofilament line had dozens of uses from emergency sutures, snares, sewing-up torn fabric, building shelter, all the way to tripwires and defensive applications.
Flashlight with spare batteries. Should be part of your EDC anyway. Yeah, sooner or later the batteries will die, but this is too useful to ignore.
A map and compass. And learn how to use them. Sure, GPS is great, but not only will your batteries eventually die, there are many places that the signal doesn't reach.
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Post by CatSnipah on Jul 23, 2018 21:12:20 GMT
Get some basic trauma training. Stop the bleed kind of thing. I took an 8-hour course earlier this year and it REALLY opened my eyes to some things.
As in, now I keep various levels of trauma kits in different places (cars, work backpack, retooled my range bag personal trauma kit).
As a trained and certified range officer, this was a great education to get that helps in personal life, too.
A first aid kit is NOT a trauma kit. Both have their purposes.
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Post by Snorelacks on Jul 23, 2018 21:27:19 GMT
Off the top of my head: A quality rucksack that you have practiced with. Gear is great but you have to be able to carry it. I cannot stress how important it is to be able to make fire. Think about it. Fire allows you to convert raw meat to food, boil water to drink, provide light and heat in the night, ward off natural predators, and it makes a dandy weapon if needed. Quality rope and/or paracord. Often overlooked but unbelievably useful. Water filtration. With all the crap that's in our water supplies, this is a critical element. Dysentery can kill you or, at the very least, make you wish you were dead. A well stocked first aid kit with a manual. Sewing yourself-up sucks. (Been there) Bleeding out because you didn't know how to stop it sucks harder. Fishing line and hooks. If there is a nearby steam, odds are there's food swimming in it. Also, good monofilament line had dozens of uses from emergency sutures, snares, sewing-up torn fabric, building shelter, all the way to tripwires and defensive applications. Flashlight with spare batteries. Should be part of your EDC anyway. Yeah, sooner or later the batteries will die, but this is too useful to ignore. A map and compass. And learn how to use them. Sure, GPS is great, but not only will your batteries eventually die, there are many places that the signal doesn't reach. Sounds like my bug out bag minus a few days of food packets.
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Post by Shhhhh on Jul 23, 2018 22:49:50 GMT
Off the top of my head: A quality rucksack that you have practiced with. Gear is great but you have to be able to carry it. I cannot stress how important it is to be able to make fire. Think about it. Fire allows you to convert raw meat to food, boil water to drink, provide light and heat in the night, ward off natural predators, and it makes a dandy weapon if needed. Quality rope and/or paracord. Often overlooked but unbelievably useful. Water filtration. With all the crap that's in our water supplies, this is a critical element. Dysentery can kill you or, at the very least, make you wish you were dead. A well stocked first aid kit with a manual. Sewing yourself-up sucks. (Been there) Bleeding out because you didn't know how to stop it sucks harder. Fishing line and hooks. If there is a nearby steam, odds are there's food swimming in it. Also, good monofilament line had dozens of uses from emergency sutures, snares, sewing-up torn fabric, building shelter, all the way to tripwires and defensive applications. Flashlight with spare batteries. Should be part of your EDC anyway. Yeah, sooner or later the batteries will die, but this is too useful to ignore. A map and compass. And learn how to use them. Sure, GPS is great, but not only will your batteries eventually die, there are many places that the signal doesn't reach. What's your opinion on having a topography map? I feel they can be usefull in planning routes if you know how to read them correctly.
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Post by Snorelacks on Jul 23, 2018 23:18:05 GMT
Off the top of my head: A quality rucksack that you have practiced with. Gear is great but you have to be able to carry it. I cannot stress how important it is to be able to make fire. Think about it. Fire allows you to convert raw meat to food, boil water to drink, provide light and heat in the night, ward off natural predators, and it makes a dandy weapon if needed. Quality rope and/or paracord. Often overlooked but unbelievably useful. Water filtration. With all the crap that's in our water supplies, this is a critical element. Dysentery can kill you or, at the very least, make you wish you were dead. A well stocked first aid kit with a manual. Sewing yourself-up sucks. (Been there) Bleeding out because you didn't know how to stop it sucks harder. Fishing line and hooks. If there is a nearby steam, odds are there's food swimming in it. Also, good monofilament line had dozens of uses from emergency sutures, snares, sewing-up torn fabric, building shelter, all the way to tripwires and defensive applications. Flashlight with spare batteries. Should be part of your EDC anyway. Yeah, sooner or later the batteries will die, but this is too useful to ignore. A map and compass. And learn how to use them. Sure, GPS is great, but not only will your batteries eventually die, there are many places that the signal doesn't reach. What's your opinion on having a topography map? I feel they can be usefull in planning routes if you know how to read them correctly. Absolutely necessary...topo maps don't have batteries that die and don't have to worry about EMP. They're pretty easy to read, are large enough to clearly read the contour lines.
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Post by Snorelacks on Jul 24, 2018 1:12:16 GMT
Make sure to get a good compass too. I have a Suunto brand with a mirror, but I can't remember the model (and I'm not digging it out). You don't need a mirror, but it helps for more accurate reading and it can also provide you with a good signaling device if needed. They're pretty easy to read and you can find instructions online on how to do so. I would make sure you practice. I really enjoy land navigation....we did a lot it in my advanced evasion courses in the military.
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