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Post by CatSnipah on Feb 18, 2018 15:36:01 GMT
In my opinion, forcing the teachers to become armed is not necessarily a good idea. I've seen enough civilians come through classes to know it's not for everyone.
If they WANT to, then I'd be in favor of discussing public funding for them to receive proper, routine training. Not a one and done. These skills are perishable. Also, classes are available to help with stress inoculation. School districts or states would need to build minimum standards and standard operating procedures to drives expectations and consistency.
I'd suggest an alternative course is to increase school resource officer presence.
I need to do some research, focus on understanding if school shootings are taking place at schools that do not have SRO present.
With no SRO present combined with gun free zone standings, our schools are soft targets. Soft target being defined as an easily-accessible gathering place of mass people who are incapable of quickly and easily defending against violent attack.
Schools are not the only soft targets, but kids are like sheep. They are not experienced or even on the lookout for this kind of thing. This makes them relatively easy targets for whackadoos, sadly.
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Post by Snorelacks on Feb 18, 2018 15:43:16 GMT
In my opinion, forcing the teachers to become armed is not necessarily a good idea. I've seen enough civilians come through classes to know it's not for everyone. If they WANT to, then I'd be in favor of discussing public funding for them to receive proper, routine training. Not a one and done. These skills are perishable. Also, classes are available to help with stress inoculation. School districts or states would need to build minimum standards and standard operating procedures to drives expectations and consistency. I'd suggest an alternative course is to increase school resource officer presence. I need to do some research, focus on understanding if school shootings are taking place at schools that do not have SRO present. With no SRO present combined with gun free zone standings, our schools are soft targets. Soft target being defined as an easily-accessible gathering place of mass people who are incapable of quickly and easily defending against violent attack. Schools are not the only soft targets, but kids are like sheep. They are not experienced or even on the lookout for this kind of thing. This makes them relatively easy targets for whackadoos, sadly. I agree with you on arming teachers. My brother in law is a teacher and I know he'd carry if allowed, and he's capable with a firearm. However, there are others that it wouldn't suit. Cat...I think there was a SRO, but he was on the other side of the school. I'd also like to know how he got into the school in the first place with a long gun....He wasn't a student and certainly wouldn't have been able to walk through a metal detector. |
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Post by JesterUSMC on Feb 18, 2018 15:53:35 GMT
Because the facts 'disgust' some, we won't be able to have a discussion...
<0.5% of all yearly deaths are from scary assault rifles.... So we must "do something".
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Post by Snorelacks on Feb 18, 2018 15:56:37 GMT
Because the facts 'disgust' some, we won't be able to have a discussion... 0.05% of all yearly deaths are from scary assault rifles.... So we must "do something". Let's ban hands, fists and feet....they killed more people last year than "assault" rifles.
FFS...these guys need to spare me the hypocrisy...news folks stop being journalists and become activists, blame the NRA...made up of lawful gun owners and the organization that is most responsible for having background checks in the first place and is fighting for it to actually be enforced, blame the Republicans...cuz they're gun owners right.
Why don't the journos never say: where was the Democrat's courage to pass gun laws when they had the White House, House and Senate for two years under Barack Obama. Because the answer is NOTHING.? Were Democrats too afraid to lose their seats, like they did in 1994, to pass another assault weapons ban...because it didn't do anything discernible anyway? Yep.
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Post by "statistically insignificant" on Feb 18, 2018 17:25:49 GMT
I'd say the NAD has something to say about this. But OK, whatever you say... NAD was 1880 Earliest I'm aware of the NRA actually lobbying was 1872 (founded 1871). Founded in 1871, the group has informed its members about firearm-related bills since 1934, and it has directly lobbied for and against legislation since 1975. |
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Post by JesterUSMC on Feb 18, 2018 17:49:25 GMT
Remember, when you can't argue against something, just change the subject.
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Post by I AM The Scouting Authority. on Feb 18, 2018 17:55:47 GMT
Remember, when you can't argue against something, just change the subject.  |
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Post by flynlion on Feb 18, 2018 18:16:05 GMT
Remember, when you can't argue against something, just change the subject. Is that a legit Mark Twain quote? It's the best one that I've seen in a long time, might have to use it some day. |
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Post by CatSnipah on Feb 18, 2018 19:10:21 GMT
The NRA isn't even in the top 50 when measured by lobbyist group spending.
But plenty of pharma, insurance , communication and defense companies are. The US Chamber of Commerce is number 1. Others of note include Amazon, ExxonMobil, Microsoft and Facebook.
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Post by Snorelacks on Feb 18, 2018 19:27:03 GMT
The NRA isn't even in the top 50 when measured by lobbyist group spending. But plenty of pharma, insurance , communication and defense companies are. The US Chamber of Commerce is number 1. Others of note include Amazon, ExxonMobil, Microsoft and Facebook. Shhhhh....don't let facts and data cloud the debate...how can Republicans be bought and paid for if even the Dairy Association spends more money than the NRA on political activity and lobbying  |
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Post by JesterUSMC on Feb 18, 2018 19:43:47 GMT
“Disgusting facts”
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Post by Shhhhh on Feb 18, 2018 19:51:58 GMT
Is that a legit Mark Twain quote? It's the best one that I've seen in a long time, might have to use it some day. Not ot sure if it is, but I've seen it associated with him for years so it's entirely possible. |
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Post by Skankhunt42 on Feb 18, 2018 20:53:50 GMT
In my opinion, forcing the teachers to become armed is not necessarily a good idea. I've seen enough civilians come through classes to know it's not for everyone. If they WANT to, then I'd be in favor of discussing public funding for them to receive proper, routine training. Not a one and done. These skills are perishable. Also, classes are available to help with stress inoculation. School districts or states would need to build minimum standards and standard operating procedures to drives expectations and consistency. I'd suggest an alternative course is to increase school resource officer presence. I need to do some research, focus on understanding if school shootings are taking place at schools that do not have SRO present. With no SRO present combined with gun free zone standings, our schools are soft targets. Soft target being defined as an easily-accessible gathering place of mass people who are incapable of quickly and easily defending against violent attack. Schools are not the only soft targets, but kids are like sheep. They are not experienced or even on the lookout for this kind of thing. This makes them relatively easy targets for whackadoos, sadly. It's amazing how virtually every mass shooting is in a "gun free" zone. The signs do literally nothing but disarm innocent people, and it costs them their lives. Schools need trained, armed guards. Doesn't have to be the teachers, I'd be fine diverting a bit more taxpayer dollars to education for hiring actual professionals to do the job. That would mean they aren't absurdly easy targets anymore. |
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Post by Skankhunt42 on Feb 18, 2018 20:56:26 GMT
NAD was 1880 Earliest I'm aware of the NRA actually lobbying was 1872 (founded 1871). Founded in 1871, the group has informed its members about firearm-related bills since 1934, and it has directly lobbied for and against legislation since 1975. That still doesn't change the fact the earliest they were lobbying politicians was in 1872, not 1975. They're not some boogeyman getting unaccountable dollars from billionaire former Nazis, they're getting dues from members and doing what the membership wants with them. |
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Post by Niles Y93 on Feb 18, 2018 21:18:30 GMT
Is that a legit Mark Twain quote? It's the best one that I've seen in a long time, might have to use it some day. Not ot sure if it is, but I've seen it associated with him for years so it's entirely possible. I’ve seen that quote associated with either Twain or George Carlin, and to be honest, it sounds more like a Carlin quote to me. |
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Post by Snorelacks on Feb 18, 2018 21:25:40 GMT
Not ot sure if it is, but I've seen it associated with him for years so it's entirely possible. I’ve seen that quote associated with either Twain or George Carlin, and to be honest, it sounds more like a Carlin quote to me. Nothing beats the original though  "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him." —Proverbs 26:4 (King James version) |
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Post by flynlion on Feb 18, 2018 21:56:15 GMT
I’ve seen that quote associated with either Twain or George Carlin, and to be honest, it sounds more like a Carlin quote to me. Nothing beats the original though "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him." —Proverbs 26:4 (King James version) I prefer the Mark Twain / George Carlin version. Why use BS biblical yammering when plain English can serve just as well? |
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Post by Snorelacks on Feb 18, 2018 22:50:19 GMT
Nothing beats the original though "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him." —Proverbs 26:4 (King James version) I prefer the Mark Twain / George Carlin version. Why use BS biblical yammering when plain English can serve just as well? Merely to provide a reference regarding my guess that their use of the saying was spawned by the original version. |
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Post by flynlion on Feb 19, 2018 0:35:33 GMT
I prefer the Mark Twain / George Carlin version. Why use BS biblical yammering when plain English can serve just as well? Merely to provide a reference regarding my guess that their use of the saying was spawned by the original version. Fair enough. Another favorite of mine is "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man" - Oscar Wilde |
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Post by Snorelacks on Feb 19, 2018 0:54:33 GMT
Merely to provide a reference regarding my guess that their use of the saying was spawned by the original version. Fair enough. Another favorite of mine is "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man" - Oscar Wilde Inversely similar. I think I saw this in the Bunker- 
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"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him." —Proverbs 26:4 (King James version)