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Post by JesterUSMC on Feb 27, 2018 19:29:57 GMT
Well, considering that 3/4 of all the state Legislatures have to sign off on (Ratifty) an amendment to the US Constitution - No one would be able to do it "behind closed doors". It would be virtually impossible, and highly suspect if it was tried. Ah ok. From the UK trying to work out how it all works in the US is difficult as everywhere you look it all appears to be either written at a Masters Degree level or a US Govt for Dummies level. Theres no middle ground. The US way of writing laws seems a lot more European than the British way which is confusing as the US Constitution and Legal System are based on the British versions. Fun, innit? |
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Feb 27, 2018 19:31:35 GMT
Universities currently run alright. Everybody that works there gets paid and everything is maintained, right? So, if the £9250 a year is not funded by the students themselves, and from some other source, the university is still getting that money from wherever the government gets it (corporation tax, cuts elsewhere, whatever, we've already discussed that bit), so nothing changes in terms of how much money they're getting. Is it something that can be maintained indefinitely without tuition? Yes, tuition fees didn't always exist and when they did they weren't this expensive. |
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Post by I AM The Scouting Authority. on Feb 27, 2018 19:32:09 GMT
Ah ok. From the UK trying to work out how it all works in the US is difficult as everywhere you look it all appears to be either written at a Masters Degree level or a US Govt for Dummies level. Theres no middle ground. The US way of writing laws seems a lot more European than the British way which is confusing as the US Constitution and Legal System are based on the British versions. Fun, innit? You have a strange way of viewing fun. |
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Post by CatSnipah on Feb 27, 2018 21:03:44 GMT
So there are no cash flows in your myopic view? Ok. Let's assume that for a moment. How do the schools operate? All services are free? People all work for free? Food is free? Service providers give all their goods and services for free? No bills to pay and no salaries? Now, back to even more reality... You want the gov't to tax business. So that's a flow of cash into the gov't coffers. Use that cash to pay for school operations. That's a flow of cash. And you trust the govt to do that honestly and correctly every time. That's naive. And now for even more reality ..... So, earlier in this thread, you said you wanted taxes to pay for school. Now, you say that you don't want cash flows. Yeah, you're gonna do real well in college. Alright, I see what you mean now. I'm not saying the government should nationalise universities and take over their running of all the facilities and paying of staff. I'm saying that tuition fees should be abolished or heavily subsidised. And yes, I trust a government, with the oversight of Parliament, both the Commons and the Lords and their various committees, and the independent judiciary, and the various commissions and whatnot, to ensure that a bunch of money can go from one place to another without a load of it going missing. That seems to be what you mean, right? Fingers in the till and all that? I didn't say that I "didn't want" cash flows, I earlier failed to see their relevance, now I do. Also if you could just stop with your massive hate boner for me and all the stuff about how I'm gonna fail at life because I want to subsidise services, that'd be nice, thanks. You're drawing a lot of wild conclusions from two sentences. Thanks for acknowledging the cash flow piece. Now..i see you don't like being judged and categorized by others. Maybe you should take that into consideration and recall how that makes you feel before you do the same next time. Because you do it. A lot. I'm not basing that on two sentences, but rather months of watching your behaviors. Both my life / success comments as well as your typical response behaviors. |
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Post by Shhhhh on Feb 27, 2018 21:07:34 GMT
So there are no cash flows in your myopic view? Ok. Let's assume that for a moment. How do the schools operate? All services are free? People all work for free? Food is free? Service providers give all their goods and services for free? No bills to pay and no salaries? Now, back to even more reality... You want the gov't to tax business. So that's a flow of cash into the gov't coffers. Use that cash to pay for school operations. That's a flow of cash. And you trust the govt to do that honestly and correctly every time. Two things...thats naive, you don't understand "cash flow". And now for even more reality ..... So, earlier in this thread, you said you wanted taxes to pay for school. Now, you say that you don't want cash flows. Yeah, you're gonna do real well in college. Hes a Yorkshireman. He doesnt do spending money. The only thing tighter than a Yorkshireman is a Yorkshiremans grip on his wallet. From his post I think he has no problem spending other people's money, well at least as long as they own a buisness. |
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Feb 27, 2018 21:11:54 GMT
Hes a Yorkshireman. He doesnt do spending money. The only thing tighter than a Yorkshireman is a Yorkshiremans grip on his wallet. From his post I think he has no problem spending other people's money, well at least as long as they own a buisness. I only singled out corporations because they have loads of money and they hold a lot of power, there are other options besides funding everything with corporation tax. |
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Post by JesterUSMC on Feb 27, 2018 21:16:26 GMT
From his post I think he has no problem spending other people's money, well at least as long as they own a buisness. I only singled out corporations because they have loads of money and they hold a lot of power, there are other options besides funding everything with corporation tax. You keep insinuating that businesses having 'loads of money' is a bad thing. |
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Feb 27, 2018 21:28:21 GMT
I only singled out corporations because they have loads of money and they hold a lot of power, there are other options besides funding everything with corporation tax. You keep insinuating that businesses having 'loads of money' is a bad thing. Fine, rather than them just "having loads of money", they're able to deal with increases in taxation. It's not as if they're going to go bankrupt and flee the country at the sight of a few points increase in corporation tax when the UK already has some of the lowest corporation tax rates among the developed nations. They've got a lot of profit that they're not actually doing anything with, so they're a useful punchbag (for want of a better word) to soak up the cost of stuff. Like I say, they're not necessarily the primary source of revenue for public spending. |
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Post by Shhhhh on Feb 27, 2018 22:07:09 GMT
You keep insinuating that businesses having 'loads of money' is a bad thing. Fine, rather than them just "having loads of money", they're able to deal with increases in taxation. It's not as if they're going to go bankrupt and flee the country at the sight of a few points increase in corporation tax when the UK already has some of the lowest corporation tax rates among the developed nations. They've got a lot of profit that they're not actually doing anything with, so they're a useful punchbag (for want of a better word) to soak up the cost of stuff. Like I say, they're not necessarily the primary source of revenue for public spending. Silly me I forgot amassing wealth is a bad thing after working hard to obtain it. God forbid people have motivation to do well in life Work hard, so the government can force you to give money to those who refuse to earn and work for it. |
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Post by Skankhunt42 on Feb 28, 2018 2:31:25 GMT
The "loopholes" are written into the tax code. They are legal. I applaud anyone using legal methods to keep as much as their own money as possible. Get rid of the loopholes so it's not legal. That was my original point. Which loopholes in the tax code are you specifically referring to? |
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Post by Skankhunt42 on Feb 28, 2018 2:32:42 GMT
President Trump just announced that he’ll be running again in 2020....MAGA He filed the paperwork to do it right after he took the oath of office last year, including campaign slogans, etc |
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Post by JesterUSMC on Feb 28, 2018 14:15:31 GMT
You keep insinuating that businesses having 'loads of money' is a bad thing. Fine, rather than them just "having loads of money", they're able to deal with increases in taxation. It's not as if they're going to go bankrupt and flee the country at the sight of a few points increase in corporation tax when the UK already has some of the lowest corporation tax rates among the developed nations. They've got a lot of profit that they're not actually doing anything with, so they're a useful punchbag (for want of a better word) to soak up the cost of stuff. Like I say, they're not necessarily the primary source of revenue for public spending. I have a hard time seeing a profitable company as a 'punchbag' to be burdened with supporting other people's "free" stuff. |
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Feb 28, 2018 14:50:23 GMT
Fine, rather than them just "having loads of money", they're able to deal with increases in taxation. It's not as if they're going to go bankrupt and flee the country at the sight of a few points increase in corporation tax when the UK already has some of the lowest corporation tax rates among the developed nations. They've got a lot of profit that they're not actually doing anything with, so they're a useful punchbag (for want of a better word) to soak up the cost of stuff. Like I say, they're not necessarily the primary source of revenue for public spending. I have a hard time seeing a profitable company as a 'punchbag' to be burdened with supporting other people's "free" stuff. It's not "other people's" though, it's all society's, to be used by everyone. Directly or indirectly education benefits all of society. |
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Post by JesterUSMC on Feb 28, 2018 15:03:43 GMT
I have a hard time seeing a profitable company as a 'punchbag' to be burdened with supporting other people's "free" stuff. It's not "other people's" though, it's all society's, to be used by everyone. Directly or indirectly education benefits all of society. But why should private businesses be forced to pay for it? |
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Post by Snorelacks on Mar 1, 2018 13:47:22 GMT
Here's a handy graphic on what it takes to amend the Constitution -  THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Snorelacks on Mar 1, 2018 13:54:02 GMT
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Post by Snorelacks on Mar 1, 2018 14:09:31 GMT
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Mar 1, 2018 14:24:26 GMT
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Post by Snorelacks on Mar 1, 2018 14:33:48 GMT
I wouldn’t even lay singular blame on him. In fact, IMO I think it’s more of a reflection on the erosion of our social fabric as it relates to the family unit, the social push to normalize behaviors that were once taboo, our desire to modify/alter outcomes at the expense of social mores, regulations and laws. |
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Mar 1, 2018 16:37:00 GMT
I wouldn’t even lay singular blame on him. In fact, IMO I think it’s more of a reflection on the erosion of our social fabric as it relates to the family unit, the social push to normalize behaviors that were once taboo, our desire to modify/alter outcomes at the expense of social mores, regulations and laws. Sounds like you'd get on well with Peter Hitchens. |
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