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Post by I AM The Scouting Authority. on Jun 6, 2017 16:36:45 GMT
Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen of the Allied Expeditionary Force. You are about to embark upon the Great Crusade, toward which we have striven these many months. The eyes of the world are upon you. The hopes and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere march with you. In company with our brave Allies and brothers-in-arms on other Fronts, you will bring about the destruction of the German war machine, the elimination of Nazi tyranny over the oppressed peoples of Europe, and security for ourselves in a free world. Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained, well equipped and battle hardened. He will fight savagely. But this is the year 1944! Much has happened since the Nazi triumphs of 1940-41. The United Nations have inflicted upon the Germans great defeats, in open battle, man-to-man. Our air offensive has seriously reduced their strength in the air and their capacity to wage war on the ground. Our Home Fronts have given us an overwhelming superiority in weapons and munitions of war, and placed at our disposal great reserves of trained fighting men. The tide has turned! The free men of the world are marching together to Victory! I have full confidence in your courage and devotion to duty and skill in battle. We will accept nothing less than full Victory! Good luck! And let us beseech the blessing of Almighty God upon this great and noble undertaking.
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Post by Snorelacks on Jun 5, 2019 20:26:40 GMT
In commemoration of the men and women from all nations that descended on "Fortress Europe" starting in the early morning hours of June 6th, 1944. I believe one of the top 20 speeches I've ever listened to-
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Post by test777777 on Jun 6, 2019 10:12:51 GMT
In commemoration of the men and women from all nations that descended on "Fortress Europe" starting in the early morning hours of June 6th, 1944. I believe one of the top 20 speeches I've ever listened to- What an amazing advocate for World Peace that man was. President Raegan's ideal seems polar opposite in many ways to Trump's ideals when it comes to isolationism. Regarding the first week of June 1944 So much violence and loss of life, it's hard to quantify and appreciate the enormity and tragedy of it all but It is good to know that people who were once such fierce enemies, have been able to reconcile and co-nurture ongoing peaceful relations to the extent that German uniforms have been reported to be present and seen as representative of a common cause. That's some reconciliation right there. .
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Post by Snorelacks on Jun 6, 2019 18:50:06 GMT
In commemoration of the men and women from all nations that descended on "Fortress Europe" starting in the early morning hours of June 6th, 1944. I believe one of the top 20 speeches I've ever listened to- What an amazing advocate for World Peace that man was. President Raegan's ideal seems polar opposite in many ways to Trump's ideals when it comes to isolationism.Regarding the first week of June 1944 So much violence and loss of life, it's hard to quantify and appreciate the enormity and tragedy of it all but It is good to know that people who were once such fierce enemies, have been able to reconcile and co-nurture ongoing peaceful relations to the extent that German uniforms have been reported to be present and seen as representative of a common cause. That's some reconciliation right there. . We've not reduced the manning levels or our defense spending one cent related to NATO or commitments to any of our allies.
As a matter of fact, I'd put forth an argument that our commitment to NATO is actually stronger than many countries whos own borders lie within the very continent and area the alliance was formed to defend. This is due to those countries not living up to the 2% of GDP commitment all NATO nations are supposed to adhere to regarding defense spending. Germany and France being two of the biggest deviants regarding living up to their defense spending promises, yet they complain about our "America First" isolationism.
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Post by Snorelacks on Jun 6, 2019 18:50:34 GMT
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Post by test777777 on Jun 7, 2019 7:51:01 GMT
What an amazing advocate for World Peace that man was. President Raegan's ideal seems polar opposite in many ways to Trump's ideals when it comes to isolationism.Regarding the first week of June 1944 So much violence and loss of life, it's hard to quantify and appreciate the enormity and tragedy of it all but It is good to know that people who were once such fierce enemies, have been able to reconcile and co-nurture ongoing peaceful relations to the extent that German uniforms have been reported to be present and seen as representative of a common cause. That's some reconciliation right there. . We've not reduced the manning levels or our defense spending one cent related to NATO or commitments to any of our allies.
As a matter of fact, I'd put forth an argument that our commitment to NATO is actually stronger than many countries whos own borders lie within the very continent and area the alliance was formed to defend. This is due to those countries not living up to the 2% of GDP commitment all NATO nations are supposed to adhere to regarding defense spending. Germany and France being two of the biggest deviants regarding living up to their defense spending promises, yet they complain about our "America First" isolationism.
To be clear that from my perspective, my comment wasn't intended to suggest that the US lacks justification with it's more isolationist foreign policy. With NATO it sounds like the US is begrudgingly carrying NATO because the US feels it's contributing excess to make up for those who are seen as not pulling their weight. Given perception, real or not. It's hard to sell "we value you, we are reassured that you value us, and our relationship has never been stronger due to our shared values and ongoing commitment" under the current political climate.
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Post by test777777 on Jun 7, 2019 8:12:20 GMT
I love reading this stuff - thanks Snore. A Bit off Topic - I don't know much about guns. The Commonwealth Forces used the Enfield Bren LMG as a squad Assault gun for the most part during WW2 although I think the much older Vickers LMG was also used by some forces. I think in Normandy 1944 though, the BREN was the weapon used. The article suggested the first allied casualty of the Airborne assault in 1944 was carrying the Bren LMG. To my understanding, the American's used the older tried and true Browning automatic rifle for the same purpose throughout the WAR. This is not leading to a question about which is better or worse. Both the Bren and BAR were used over decades by first world military so in their own right, they must have both been effective weapons but there is a question or two Why is the BAR classified as an Automatic Rifle and not an LMG? What the difference between an Automatic Rifle and an LMG? I assume it's not that one is rifled and that one isn't or that one fires faster than the other and am wondering if it comes down to a quick change barrel on the BREN giving it an ability to sustain fire for longer periods allowing it to be considered a machine gun?
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Post by Snorelacks on Jun 7, 2019 14:53:28 GMT
I love reading this stuff - thanks Snore. A Bit off Topic - I don't know much about guns. The Commonwealth Forces used the Enfield Bren LMG as a squad Assault gun for the most part during WW2 although I think the much older Vickers LMG was also used by some forces. I think in Normandy 1944 though, the BREN was the weapon used. The article suggested the first allied casualty of the Airborne assault in 1944 was carrying the Bren LMG. To my understanding, the American's used the older tried and true Browning automatic rifle for the same purpose throughout the WAR. This is not leading to a question about which is better or worse. Both the Bren and BAR were used over decades by first world military so in their own right, they must have both been effective weapons but there is a question or two Why is the BAR classified as an Automatic Rifle and not an LMG? What the difference between an Automatic Rifle and an LMG? I assume it's not that one is rifled and that one isn't or that one fires faster than the other and am wondering if it comes down to a quick change barrel on the BREN giving it an ability to sustain fire for longer periods allowing it to be considered a machine gun? Test....I found this online and I think it does a good job of describing it. It was just a post in a forum with nobody to credit....
"Automatic rifle" actually is an older concept that dates to the early part of the 20th century. The standard infantry rifle for most nations was some type of bolt-action rifle. Self-loading designs were new, untried and usually heavier than a Mauser, Springfield or Lee-Enfield, but they offered more firepower than the bolt guns and usually were capable of sustained fire. A good example is the Browning Automatic Rifle. While the BAR was capable of full-auto fire, it wasn't in a class with the belt-fed, water-cooled Vickers and the Spandau, which could stand up to thousands of rounds over many hours. On the other hand, an infantryman could haul a BAR to provide fire support for a mobile infantry squad, which was impossible with the heavy belt-fed guns.
"Machine gun" has become a generic term for any full-auto weapon.
Confusion is understandable. "Automatic rifle" is a broad term that also can be understood to mean any semi-auto rifle or full-fledged assault rifle and it has been so used over the last 90 years. To make matters worse, the U.S. Army describes soldiers armed with the M249 as "automatic riflemen" although the M249 really fills the role that also has been described as "light machine gun."
In short, both terms are not sharply defined. If you encounter them in print, you'll probably have to figure out the meaning from the author's definition or the context."
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Post by El Materdor43 on Jun 7, 2019 17:28:58 GMT
In commemoration of the men and women from all nations that descended on "Fortress Europe" starting in the early morning hours of June 6th, 1944. I believe one of the top 20 speeches I've ever listened to- That is what leadership looks and sounds like. I completely agree, perhaps one of the best speeches I’ve ever heard
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Post by Snorelacks on Jun 8, 2019 21:52:26 GMT
Very, very cool indeed. I never New the back story to the Mohawks. Thanks for sharing!
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Post by test777777 on Jun 10, 2019 6:58:35 GMT
I love reading this stuff - thanks Snore. A Bit off Topic - I don't know much about guns. The Commonwealth Forces used the Enfield Bren LMG as a squad Assault gun for the most part during WW2 although I think the much older Vickers LMG was also used by some forces. I think in Normandy 1944 though, the BREN was the weapon used. The article suggested the first allied casualty of the Airborne assault in 1944 was carrying the Bren LMG. To my understanding, the American's used the older tried and true Browning automatic rifle for the same purpose throughout the WAR. This is not leading to a question about which is better or worse. Both the Bren and BAR were used over decades by first world military so in their own right, they must have both been effective weapons but there is a question or two Why is the BAR classified as an Automatic Rifle and not an LMG? What the difference between an Automatic Rifle and an LMG? I assume it's not that one is rifled and that one isn't or that one fires faster than the other and am wondering if it comes down to a quick change barrel on the BREN giving it an ability to sustain fire for longer periods allowing it to be considered a machine gun? Test....I found this online and I think it does a good job of describing it. It was just a post in a forum with nobody to credit....
"Automatic rifle" actually is an older concept that dates to the early part of the 20th century. The standard infantry rifle for most nations was some type of bolt-action rifle. Self-loading designs were new, untried and usually heavier than a Mauser, Springfield or Lee-Enfield, but they offered more firepower than the bolt guns and usually were capable of sustained fire. A good example is the Browning Automatic Rifle. While the BAR was capable of full-auto fire, it wasn't in a class with the belt-fed, water-cooled Vickers and the Spandau, which could stand up to thousands of rounds over many hours. On the other hand, an infantryman could haul a BAR to provide fire support for a mobile infantry squad, which was impossible with the heavy belt-fed guns.
"Machine gun" has become a generic term for any full-auto weapon.
Confusion is understandable. "Automatic rifle" is a broad term that also can be understood to mean any semi-auto rifle or full-fledged assault rifle and it has been so used over the last 90 years. To make matters worse, the U.S. Army describes soldiers armed with the M249 as "automatic riflemen" although the M249 really fills the role that also has been described as "light machine gun."
In short, both terms are not sharply defined. If you encounter them in print, you'll probably have to figure out the meaning from the author's definition or the context."
Thanks - I was hoping you'd have a key difference for me but it appears as if the difference comes down to who's using the terms. the M249 LMG is also referred to as the Squad Automatic Weapon(SAW) at least I think they are and I guess SAW might be somewhat generically applied too for LMGs. The evolution of these weapons is interesting, I wonder what was flawed about the top fed Magazine design of the BREN which led to today's preferred designs.
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Post by test777777 on Jun 10, 2019 7:14:25 GMT
Very interesting - One has to be grateful for those who carry Cameras into battle to preserve this history too. Very off topic - I wonder how old the article is. I noted "Photos of the men wearing Indian-style "mohawks" " instead of more politically correct references. Personally, it's refreshing to see in this day and age of PC gone mad.
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Post by defiantspurr on Jun 14, 2019 10:32:11 GMT
It wasn't that the over mag was flawed, the Bren remained in service in the UK through the 1990s. We eventually stopped using it when we moved to the NATO 5.56 rounds. We tended to consider it an "automatic rifle" and an LMG during ww2. With belt fed guns like the Vickers filling the roll of machine gun.
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Post by defiantspurr on Jun 14, 2019 11:38:11 GMT
The Bren gun is one of those guns that has almost a mythic reverence in the UK.
I've been reading about the British Commando units of Ww2 ( one of my relatives was in then) and they had great respect for the Bren.
The book I'm reading at the moment has just cleared the Normandy landings, brutal stuff. And very human.
I'm surprised that they have not done a band of brothers style TV series on them
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Post by test777777 on Jun 20, 2019 10:28:28 GMT
The Bren gun is one of those guns that has almost a mythic reverence in the UK. I've been reading about the British Commando units of Ww2 ( one of my relatives was in then) and they had great respect for the Bren. The book I'm reading at the moment has just cleared the Normandy landings, brutal stuff. And very human. I'm surprised that they have not done a band of brothers style TV series on them I mention the Vickers LMG in one of my comments above but for clarity I'm referring not to the Vickers Machine Gun but the Vickers-Berthier LMG which looks rather similar to the Bren but the former really couldn't keep up. Much lower rate of fire and more cumbersome. It was of course much older. Yes the Bren Gun was used for many years throughout the commonwealth. warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/wwii/ww2-weapons-the-bren-gun/The Bren was a Czech design and was able to operate reliable in all sorts of dirty conditions. The article refers to the American's using the M1 Garand instead and while American's did, they also used the B.A.R which also has mythical status. That was their squad battle rifle of choice. While not referring to DDAY, a movie which does feature British Paratroopers in Germany with Bren Guns is Paratrooper www.imdb.com/title/tt0046161/
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