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Post by Corporal Derpy on Jan 26, 2019 17:13:06 GMT
People aren't too happy about the introduction of a Mech Mode with time, resources and what have you being diverted to that over y'know fixing the many issues that have been present for months/years. Rightfully so.
And I guess one of the Community Contributors decided rather than just not say anything or mouthing off about some golden goose that is neither gold nor exists, they'd actively post their opinions, negative opinions on it. As one can find out from the top comment but I'll leave it here regardless. The video was posted, and in 3 Minutes he had his Community Contributor title revoked all because of a single negative.
Fastest WGCB has ever acted on something in a looong while.
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Post by JesterUSMC on Jan 26, 2019 17:15:04 GMT
If only he had threatened to IP track someone and kill them... He may still be a CC.
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Post by CatSnipah on Jan 26, 2019 17:18:41 GMT
Brought to you by the degenerate, feeble minds with thin skin at WGCB.
Very few of these people would be able to get a job at 90% of companies in the US. Well, other than fetching coffee and answering phones.
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Post by Corporal Derpy on Jan 26, 2019 17:59:47 GMT
A thought occurred to me and I'll leave it here.
The video was posted at 12:45pm, and he lost his CC status at 12:48pm. It is a 16 Minute Video.
When Foch got his CC status taken off and all that, the whole 'FochGate' thing. It was because of how far he went in it that caused the drama and some of the statements he said. In this case though it seems rather blatant that rather than revoke it because of a similar statement or two, they did it because of the video itself.
Unless WGCB lives in an alternate reality wherein they can pause time and watch a 16 Minute Video, in 3 Minutes...
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Post by defiantspurr on Jan 26, 2019 19:08:36 GMT
He was so salty about it. And let's be fair most of his rant was moaning about SPGs and how they should not do anything while there are "issues" in the game. And moaning about specific individuals.
The mech event may be out of theme, but I doubt it stopped all work on everything else while it was being run out. And to expect a game that runs on 4 consoles to be bug free is as rediculous as expecting issues to be instantly resolved.
Especially when some of those issues are not global ones ( the repair bug and the radial command bugs hardly ever effect me).
The bigger issue is that they had to pull a load of maps because of their need to support the 360..
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Post by defiantspurr on Jan 26, 2019 19:25:35 GMT
He was so salty about it. And let's be fair most of his rant was moaning about SPGs and how they should not do anything while there are "issues" in the game. And moaning about specific individuals.
The mech event may be out of theme, but I doubt it stopped all work on everything else while it was being run out. And to expect a game that runs on 4 consoles to be bug free is as rediculous as expecting issues to be instantly resolved.
Especially when some of those issues are not global ones ( the repair bug and the radial command bugs hardly ever effect me).
The bigger issue is that they had to pull a load of maps because of their need to support the 360..
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Post by JesterUSMC on Jan 26, 2019 21:23:56 GMT
RetroJules made a YT vid as well.
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Post by defiantspurr on Jan 27, 2019 20:05:26 GMT
Retrojules's vid is good. Gets the point across without sounding like someone ranting in game chat.
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Post by El Materdor43 on Jan 27, 2019 21:54:11 GMT
The issue I have with it is the optics of it. With all the problems the game has, spending any time/resources that aren’t addressing problems LOOKS like you either don’t care or you are tone deaf. With all the MM/Merc/et al threads there are in the GD, the timing of a Mech mode just looks bad. Besides the obvious thing; WoT is a tank game, not a Mech game.
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Post by Snorelacks on Jan 27, 2019 23:17:55 GMT
He was so salty about it. And let's be fair most of his rant was moaning about SPGs and how they should not do anything while there are "issues" in the game. And moaning about specific individuals. The mech event may be out of theme, but I doubt it stopped all work on everything else while it was being run out. And to expect a game that runs on 4 consoles to be bug free is as rediculous as expecting issues to be instantly resolved. Especially when some of those issues are not global ones ( the repair bug and the radial command bugs hardly ever effect me). The bigger issue is that they had to pull a load of maps because of their need to support the 360.. I don't get the moaning about individuals (raibot specifically), but the amount of ass kissing directed toward her on the other forum is actually humorous. I'd reckon that half of the noses up her ass are due to the fact that her interactions with some of these young men is the only form of relationship they've had outside of a female relative, and the other half because they're WG sycophants who hope she will throw them a bone.
I don't even think it has to do with a game being run on 4 consoles and the expectation to be bug free, and I get the argument that a company can multi-task and do multiple things. However, it's the constant drumbeat of longstanding issues that never get addressed, e.g. MM, balance, repair wheel, broken TDs, lack of new content (not reskins), glitches, competitive mode, clan wars, maps getting pulled, etc. The fact that they don't have "all hands on deck" to fix these continuous complaints and problems, yet find time to have developers expend time on something other than core issues is vexing to say the least. Outside of WG, nobody knows how many hours the developers spent on War Stories, but I bet it was significant, the same goes for Mercs and the same goes for Mechs. Quite frankly, I wonder if WG even has a 1yr, 3yr and 5yr business plan they use as a roadmap to ensure they are achieving their short and long term goals. I think they're just throwing shit up against the wall and hoping some of it sticks.
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Post by Corporal Derpy on Jan 27, 2019 23:48:22 GMT
He was so salty about it. And let's be fair most of his rant was moaning about SPGs and how they should not do anything while there are "issues" in the game. And moaning about specific individuals. The mech event may be out of theme, but I doubt it stopped all work on everything else while it was being run out. And to expect a game that runs on 4 consoles to be bug free is as rediculous as expecting issues to be instantly resolved. Especially when some of those issues are not global ones ( the repair bug and the radial command bugs hardly ever effect me). The bigger issue is that they had to pull a load of maps because of their need to support the 360.. I don't get the moaning about individuals (raibot specifically), but the amount of ass kissing directed toward her on the other forum is actually humorous. I'd reckon that half of the noses up her ass are due to the fact that her interactions with some of these young men is the only form of relationship they've had outside of a female relative, and the other half because they're WG sycophants who hope she will throw them a bone.
I don't even think it has to do with a game being run on 4 consoles and the expectation to be bug free, and I get the argument that a company can multi-task and do multiple things. However, it's the constant drumbeat of longstanding issues that never get addressed, e.g. MM, balance, repair wheel, broken TDs, lack of new content (not reskins), glitches, competitive mode, clan wars, maps getting pulled, etc. The fact that they don't have "all hands on deck" to fix these continuous complaints and problems, yet find time to have developers expend time on something other than core issues is vexing to say the least. Outside of WG, nobody knows how many hours the developers spent on War Stories, but I bet it was significant, the same goes for Mercs and the same goes for Mechs. Quite frankly, I wonder if WG even has a 1yr, 3yr and 5yr business plan they use as a roadmap to ensure they are achieving their short and long term goals. I think they're just throwing shit up against the wall and hoping some of it sticks.
Singling out individuals isn't ever a great way of going about presenting an argument. And more just going on rambling. However it makes sense as far as I see it, that I guess a lot of the White Knights don't seem to understand. Does she entirely deserve it, yes and no. No because of the above, personally attacking someone isn't a good way of presenting your view. But yes in the sense that she is the Community Manager, this is her job. And she doesn't exactly do that very well instead coming across as incredibly closed doors just like almost every other interaction with WGCB. In fact it often comes across as if she's talking down to others, almost as if on purpose. Which isn't exactly what you want the biggest means of communication between Company and Community to be doing. And it appears as if that happens just the same between Company and Community Contributors. Community Manager, Gameplay Expert, Ambassadors. WGCB have failed to reliably interact and maintain and a common ground with the Community for years. How they have handled this situation just continues to make that worse. And when it comes to the actual Core Breach thing. The WoTC Staff appear incredibly understaffed and stretched thin, if I'm not mistaken they had to relocate and toss aside plenty of staff, even filing bankruptcy at one point. So for them to focus their efforts on this and put teams to design all of it as opposed to any of the plethora of options they have to actively start to bring the game back by fixing issues we've had for years, finally having the balls to simply interact with the Community they only view as money bags right now and not putting people to work on a mode that'll last like a week and then insist that it doesn't affect anything is blatant lying and insulting to even know they view people that low. They can insist it doesn't take away from anything else but I mean EA can also say they put in microtransactions for a sense of pride and accomplishment. What a shocker that a company could lie eh? With a team as small as they are now that they have to actively contract moderators for their forums because they don't have the free time to reliably do so in the company itself, this absolutely took time and resources that could have been better spent actively bridging gaps that have remained gaps for far too long. But hey I mean they made a Mech game years ago and it totally isn't the case that almost no one from back then is still with the company itself or was put to work on this. I'm sure Rai was astronomically useful in the designs for the Mechs with all her experience from community managing back then. Or I guess she just already didn't have the free time to answer questions the community she's meant to 'manage' had without being put to work on a joke mode.
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Post by Shhhhh on Jan 27, 2019 23:51:32 GMT
He was so salty about it. And let's be fair most of his rant was moaning about SPGs and how they should not do anything while there are "issues" in the game. And moaning about specific individuals. The mech event may be out of theme, but I doubt it stopped all work on everything else while it was being run out. And to expect a game that runs on 4 consoles to be bug free is as rediculous as expecting issues to be instantly resolved. Especially when some of those issues are not global ones ( the repair bug and the radial command bugs hardly ever effect me). The bigger issue is that they had to pull a load of maps because of their need to support the 360.. I don't get the moaning about individuals (raibot specifically), but the amount of ass kissing directed toward her on the other forum is actually humorous. I'd reckon that half of the noses up her ass are due to the fact that her interactions with some of these young men is the only form of relationship they've had outside of a female relative, and the other half because they're WG sycophants who hope she will throw them a bone.
I don't even think it has to do with a game being run on 4 consoles and the expectation to be bug free, and I get the argument that a company can multi-task and do multiple things. However, it's the constant drumbeat of longstanding issues that never get addressed, e.g. MM, balance, repair wheel, broken TDs, lack of new content (not reskins), glitches, competitive mode, clan wars, maps getting pulled, etc. The fact that they don't have "all hands on deck" to fix these continuous complaints and problems, yet find time to have developers expend time on something other than core issues is vexing to say the least. Outside of WG, nobody knows how many hours the developers spent on War Stories, but I bet it was significant, the same goes for Mercs and the same goes for Mechs. Quite frankly, I wonder if WG even has a 1yr, 3yr and 5yr business plan they use as a roadmap to ensure they are achieving their short and long term goals. I think they're just throwing shit up against the wall and hoping some of it sticks.
As long as people keep playing and paying there is no need for them to fix the long standing issues. Only when they witness serious drops in player pop, which is still likely a couple years away will they consider change. A few mentioned WoWsL might hurt the population of WOTC, but I don't see it happening.
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Post by Corporal Derpy on Jan 28, 2019 0:01:37 GMT
As long as people keep playing and paying there is no need for them to fix the long standing issues. Only when they witness serious drops in player pop, which is still likely a couple years away will they consider change. A few mentioned WoWsL might hurt the population of WOTC, but I don't see it happening. Because WoWS Console, oh wait sorry. 'Legends' because they need it to sound special. Decided that Console Players are too stupid in their eyes to even get higher than VIII. I'd imagine it will likely draw even less of a crowd than Mercenaries did for WoT. And the few that do go towards it, are the likes of Brogue and other sycophants who've really got nothing else to play so I guess they wont see that much of a drain of WoTC's Population.
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Post by Snorelacks on Jan 28, 2019 0:08:43 GMT
I don't get the moaning about individuals (raibot specifically), but the amount of ass kissing directed toward her on the other forum is actually humorous. I'd reckon that half of the noses up her ass are due to the fact that her interactions with some of these young men is the only form of relationship they've had outside of a female relative, and the other half because they're WG sycophants who hope she will throw them a bone.
I don't even think it has to do with a game being run on 4 consoles and the expectation to be bug free, and I get the argument that a company can multi-task and do multiple things. However, it's the constant drumbeat of longstanding issues that never get addressed, e.g. MM, balance, repair wheel, broken TDs, lack of new content (not reskins), glitches, competitive mode, clan wars, maps getting pulled, etc. The fact that they don't have "all hands on deck" to fix these continuous complaints and problems, yet find time to have developers expend time on something other than core issues is vexing to say the least. Outside of WG, nobody knows how many hours the developers spent on War Stories, but I bet it was significant, the same goes for Mercs and the same goes for Mechs. Quite frankly, I wonder if WG even has a 1yr, 3yr and 5yr business plan they use as a roadmap to ensure they are achieving their short and long term goals. I think they're just throwing shit up against the wall and hoping some of it sticks.
Singling out individuals isn't ever a great way of going about presenting an argument. And more just going on rambling. However it makes sense as far as I see it, that I guess a lot of the White Knights don't seem to understand. Does she entirely deserve it, yes and no. No because of the above, personally attacking someone isn't a good way of presenting your view. But yes in the sense that she is the Community Manager, this is her job. And she doesn't exactly do that very well instead coming across as incredibly closed doors just like almost every other interaction with WGCB. In fact it often comes across as if she's talking down to others, almost as if on purpose. Which isn't exactly what you want the biggest means of communication between Company and Community to be doing. And it appears as if that happens just the same between Company and Community Contributors. Community Manager, Gameplay Expert, Ambassadors. WGCB have failed to reliably interact and maintain and a common ground with the Community for years. How they have handled this situation just continues to make that worse. And when it comes to the actual Core Breach thing. The WoTC Staff appear incredibly understaffed and stretched thin, if I'm not mistaken they had to relocate and toss aside plenty of staff, even filing bankruptcy at one point. So for them to focus their efforts on this and put teams to design all of it as opposed to any of the plethora of options they have to actively start to bring the game back by fixing issues we've had for years, finally having the balls to simply interact with the Community they only view as money bags right now and not putting people to work on a mode that'll last like a week and then insist that it doesn't affect anything is blatant lying and insulting to even know they view people that low. They can insist it doesn't take away from anything else but I mean EA can also say they put in microtransactions for a sense of pride and accomplishment. What a shocker that a company could lie eh? With a team as small as they are now that they have to actively contract moderators for their forums because they don't have the free time to reliably do so in the company itself, this absolutely took time and resources that could have been better spent actively bridging gaps that have remained gaps for far too long. But hey I mean they made a Mech game years ago and it totally isn't the case that almost no one from back then is still with the company itself or was put to work on this. I'm sure Rai was astronomically useful in the designs for the Mechs with all her experience from community managing back then. Or I guess she just already didn't have the free time to answer questions the community she's meant to 'manage' had without being put to work on a joke mode. I agree wholeheartedly about making any complaint to a company personal. It just isn't needed. Additionally, if he did break the NDA then he should have lost his CC status. However, I do have to laugh at those like steamingspunkspanking saying he's lucky he isn't sued. I work daily with extremely large corporate accounts all with signed NDAs. Some of them have broken them and none have resulted in a lawsuit even though they represent far more revenue or potential financial impact than anything the CCs are privy to. It's just another example if keyboard lawyers talking out of their asses.
Now back to the criticism of Raibot. I do believe that both she and Max(thin skin)Chaos are terrible public representatives for WG and should be entirely open to (non-personal) criticism on the forum. It's quite simply their job to take feedback, both positive and negative and communicate/disseminate it to the requisite departments that need to be hearing it. I do certainly think that many times Raibot has outwardly conveyed that dealing with those on the forum is a chore, and Max is even worse, more often than not entirely forgetting that he's not a public player, but instead a WG employee who's dealing with paying customers. I can't say I disagree with anything CloneGuy or RetroJules said in their videos outside of CG getting personal.
I can't see how anyone could say that working on this mech mode did not in some way either take away resources or push back work on the current core game. Unless they hired outside help to do the work while their current full-time staff plugged away on their tasks for the current game.
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Post by Snorelacks on Jan 28, 2019 0:09:51 GMT
As long as people keep playing and paying there is no need for them to fix the long standing issues. Only when they witness serious drops in player pop, which is still likely a couple years away will they consider change. A few mentioned WoWsL might hurt the population of WOTC, but I don't see it happening. Because WoWS Console, oh wait sorry. 'Legends' because they need it to sound special. Decided that Console Players are too stupid in their eyes to even get higher than VIII. I'd imagine it will likely draw even less of a crowd than Mercenaries did for WoT. And the few that do go towards it, are the likes of Brogue and other sycophants who've really got nothing else to play so I guess they wont see that much of a drain of WoTC's Population. I have no interest in WoWs on console.
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Post by Shhhhh on Jan 28, 2019 0:11:26 GMT
As long as people keep playing and paying there is no need for them to fix the long standing issues. Only when they witness serious drops in player pop, which is still likely a couple years away will they consider change. A few mentioned WoWsL might hurt the population of WOTC, but I don't see it happening. Because WoWS Console, oh wait sorry. 'Legends' because they need it to sound special. Decided that Console Players are too stupid in their eyes to even get higher than VIII. I'd imagine it will likely draw even less of a crowd than Mercenaries did for WoT. And the few that do go towards it, are the likes of Brogue and other sycophants who've really got nothing else to play so I guess they wont see that much of a drain of WoTC's Population. If there was another viable naval combat game on console I would play it instead, but sadly legends is my only option atm. Can't stand WT naval combat. I certainly can't see myself spending a lot on legends, but the DD's are enjoyable at least.
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Post by LIBARYKEEPER483 on Jan 28, 2019 0:20:06 GMT
Raibot-"Mechs are in our DNA so we thought it would be best to do something we're familiar with"
Hey WGCB your game is called "World of Tanks" notice that the word "tank" is present in the title and last time I checked "Tank" and "mech" are two separate things. If Mechs are the only thing you're familiar with and the only thing your devs are good at then why did you take up the WOT console version?
Honestly I would be completely ok with this if it wasn't for the dozens of technical game breaking bugs that plague the game.
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Post by Shhhhh on Jan 28, 2019 2:28:32 GMT
Derpy mentioned bankruptcy, when did that happen?
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Post by imhidingshh on Jan 28, 2019 9:03:33 GMT
Did I hear that PAIN has gone?
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Post by defiantspurr on Jan 28, 2019 9:17:14 GMT
He was so salty about it. And let's be fair most of his rant was moaning about SPGs and how they should not do anything while there are "issues" in the game. And moaning about specific individuals. The mech event may be out of theme, but I doubt it stopped all work on everything else while it was being run out. And to expect a game that runs on 4 consoles to be bug free is as rediculous as expecting issues to be instantly resolved. Especially when some of those issues are not global ones ( the repair bug and the radial command bugs hardly ever effect me). The bigger issue is that they had to pull a load of maps because of their need to support the 360.. I don't get the moaning about individuals (raibot specifically), but the amount of ass kissing directed toward her on the other forum is actually humorous. I'd reckon that half of the noses up her ass are due to the fact that her interactions with some of these young men is the only form of relationship they've had outside of a female relative, and the other half because they're WG sycophants who hope she will throw them a bone.
I don't even think it has to do with a game being run on 4 consoles and the expectation to be bug free, and I get the argument that a company can multi-task and do multiple things. However, it's the constant drumbeat of longstanding issues that never get addressed, e.g. MM, balance, repair wheel, broken TDs, lack of new content (not reskins), glitches, competitive mode, clan wars, maps getting pulled, etc. The fact that they don't have "all hands on deck" to fix these continuous complaints and problems, yet find time to have developers expend time on something other than core issues is vexing to say the least. Outside of WG, nobody knows how many hours the developers spent on War Stories, but I bet it was significant, the same goes for Mercs and the same goes for Mechs. Quite frankly, I wonder if WG even has a 1yr, 3yr and 5yr business plan they use as a roadmap to ensure they are achieving their short and long term goals. I think they're just throwing shit up against the wall and hoping some of it sticks.
The inconsistency in how they deal/communicate with players is terrible. One of things that got me quite angry is how they used to hand out things to some players as "good will" gestures, but have no consistency with regards to how they did it. I see no reason why they can't just fart out free days of premium at will to people on the forums. Make a good suggestion that's not been done before, or offers a new approach to an old problem? BAM tiny bit of premium. Provide reasoned critique? BAM tiny bit of premium. Identify an issue? BAM more premium/gold. Having technical issues? BAM little bit of premium to help when it's better. Regarding the repair wheel, I do recall a while ago that Jeff guy talking about it. And he seemed to suggest they had not heard much about it. I wonder if maybe it's not consistently replicatable, so maybe not getting fed upwards in the chain much until now? I say this because I can go weeks without an issue from it, and then get a run of stupid crews fixinf their radio over everything else, or pissing on the tracks instead of fixing them.
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