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Post by JesterUSMC on Apr 4, 2016 0:03:11 GMT
I used to talk about the 'Mercy Bounce' (An easy killshot into an enemy tank that should've penned, but mysteriously bounces) in a sarcastic way. But now I think it may be more than a joke... xboxdvr.com/gamer/JesterUSMC/video/16277730Thoughts? |
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Post by RagingxMarmoset on Apr 4, 2016 1:01:41 GMT
That is highly irregular. Send it to Max, he'll feed you some bullshit to try to explain it away.
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Post by JesterUSMC on Apr 4, 2016 1:13:14 GMT
I know the 'nose' of his hull is around 330, but I don't know where that bit ends and the thinner armor starts.
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Post by RagingxMarmoset on Apr 4, 2016 2:48:40 GMT
I thought it was just the nose and extreme edges. Regular AP IS 276 mm of penetration, so maybe you were at just the right angle and close enough to the nose. I'm with you though, I would have expected it to go through.
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Post by YureiKuma on Apr 4, 2016 2:49:09 GMT
The mercy bounce and the mercy damage are real. I had 3 games today where I low-rolled what should have been the killing shot. One was for a whopping 56 dmg from my cursed Pershing into the ass of a nearly dead STA-1. When I've inquired on the official forum in the past, I've been told this is impossible and I must have hit tracks or something. Considering my gun was touching his ass (that sounds bad) I doubt the shell hit tracks.
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Post by RagingxMarmoset on Apr 4, 2016 2:54:26 GMT
The mercy bounce and the mercy damage are real. I had 3 games today where I low-rolled what should have been the killing shot. One was for a whopping 56 dmg from my cursed Pershing into the ass of a nearly dead STA-1. When I've inquired on the official forum in the past, I've been told this is impossible and I must have hit tracks or something. Considering my gun was touching his ass (that sounds bad) I doubt the shell hit tracks. I'm still gonna side with confirmation bias, but tonight I saw a Centurion 7/1 roll 314, 305, 326 all in a row and leave an IS-6 on a sliver. If he had even gotten an average roll, the IS-6 is dead. Odd. |
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Post by YureiKuma on Apr 4, 2016 3:23:07 GMT
The mercy bounce and the mercy damage are real. I had 3 games today where I low-rolled what should have been the killing shot. One was for a whopping 56 dmg from my cursed Pershing into the ass of a nearly dead STA-1. When I've inquired on the official forum in the past, I've been told this is impossible and I must have hit tracks or something. Considering my gun was touching his ass (that sounds bad) I doubt the shell hit tracks. I'm still gonna side with confirmation bias, but tonight I saw a Centurion 7/1 roll 314, 305, 326 all in a row and leave an IS-6 on a sliver. If he had even gotten an average roll, the IS-6 is dead. Odd. Normally I'm a bit of a skeptic if for no other reason than it would be extra code that would have to be added, but I've seen it happen enough that I begin to suspect something is up. It's like the old saw they used to feed us that HE never bounces. They kept up that falsehood until enough video proof was shoved under their nose that it couldn't be ignored anymore. They never admitted (to my knowledge) if it was a glitch, but finally stopped denying it. It would be interesting to see how they would react to a collection of "impossible" low-rolls. As much as it irritates us as players, I bet the programmers would go nuts trying to purposely replicate it to their, and our, satisfaction. |
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Post by JesterUSMC on Apr 4, 2016 13:22:37 GMT
I thought it was just the nose and extreme edges. Regular AP IS 276 mm of penetration, so maybe you were at just the right angle and close enough to the nose. I'm with you though, I would have expected it to go through. I had APCR loaded, which has 352mm of penetration. Based on tanks.gg - That area of the hull has 275mm~ of effective armor with a 93.7% chance to penetrate using APCR.   The area above that spot has 389mm~ of effective armor, but based on where it shows my shot hitting, I hit below that. |
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Post by JesterUSMC on Apr 4, 2016 13:26:49 GMT
Forgot you can zoom in on tanks.gg AND updated the JT to show it using the Pak L/66 APCR instead of the L/55 APCR. -  |
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Post by RagingxMarmoset on Apr 4, 2016 13:58:10 GMT
I guess I don't understand how that failed to penetrate. Maybe post this on the bug report section of the live forum. It would be interesting to hear a dev chime in.
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Post by JesterUSMC on Apr 4, 2016 14:29:48 GMT
Tossed it up onto GD.
See what they have to say about it.
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Post by No Not Yet Baby on Apr 4, 2016 15:36:40 GMT
Repeatedly I met the same situation and I had enough of this. There is a simple solution. I started to use HE on the last shot (A small amount of HP). It works like a charm. I suggest you carry a couple of HE and USE  Fuck hidden and never revealed coding game by WG. |
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Post by imhidingshh on Apr 4, 2016 17:39:00 GMT
That is highly irregular. Send it to Max, he'll feed you some bullshit to try to explain it away. Or he'll give you a link to something that answers a different question. I've been a great believer of the Mercy Bounce ever since my Obj 704 bounced off of the square on side of a Tiger 1 from about 150m. |
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Post by RagingxMarmoset on Apr 4, 2016 18:12:09 GMT
Tossed it up onto GD. See what they have to say about it. Max's explanation was stupid (expected). That was a very shallow deflection, maybe four or five degrees. Only two things are possible: the impact mark on the tank is inaccurate and you actually hit that heavily armored corner, or there is a mercy factor built in for certain situations and that T110E5 got bailed out. |
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Post by JesterUSMC on Apr 4, 2016 18:20:08 GMT
Tossed it up onto GD. See what they have to say about it. Max's explanation was stupid (expected). That was a very shallow deflection, maybe four or five degrees. Only two things are possible: the impact mark on the tank is inaccurate and you actually hit that heavily armored corner, or there is a mercy factor built in for certain situations and that T110E5 got bailed out. Pretty much the only two logical outcomes. If you go by the impact animation location, that shell had a greater than 90% chance to pen. Oh well. |
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Post by robot99 on Apr 5, 2016 2:00:57 GMT
I've always thought there was some sort of merciful force field just before a tank's dying breath. Seen it long enough and often enough it doesn't even make me mad anymore. Last night I shot a nearly dead unangled Tiger II in the lower glacis fully aimed in and the reticle red as hell... plink!
Gotta admit, I felt the same mercy effect on my own tanks many times, too.
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Post by RagingxMarmoset on Apr 5, 2016 2:18:27 GMT
I've always thought there was some sort of merciful force field just before a tank's dying breath. Seen it long enough and often enough it doesn't even make me mad anymore. Last night I shot a nearly dead unangled Tiger II in the lower glacis fully aimed in and the reticle red as hell... plink! Gotta admit, I felt the same mercy effect on my own tanks many times, too. You make that "How the hell am I still alive?" face. |
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Post by robot99 on Apr 5, 2016 2:38:18 GMT
You make that "How the hell am I still alive?" face. Lol like the gun drops to the ground, then when the miracle bounce happens, the turret starts wiggling in bewilderment. |
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Post by Pit Friend on Apr 7, 2016 0:56:49 GMT
I didn't have a mercy bounce I had a mercy HE low roll today. There was a Bert capping the base in Himmelsdorf so I went back to stop the cap in my Borsig. I didn't know what arty was there at the time or what else might be there so I loaded a HE shell. I rounded the corner and shot the Bert, leaving it on a sliver of health. Luckily someone else killed it a second later before he could derp me.
What made this a mercy hit is that it was a penetrating hit so it should do full damage but it did only 275 points. The minimum roll for a penetrating 12.8cm HE shell is over 475. So I somehow did a little more than half the minimum amount of damage I should have.
Eat a dick RNG.
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Post by thestallionmang on Apr 28, 2016 4:16:45 GMT
Mercy bounce is not the only dubious game mechanic. More and more the game feels scripted.
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Fuck hidden and never revealed coding game by WG.
