Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Feb 23, 2016 19:46:23 GMT
What can I say? I'm persistent.
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gingerninjamax
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Post by gingerninjamax on Feb 23, 2016 20:36:36 GMT
The Historical Discussions section on the official forum is a dead place, WG don't care about it, and there's about four people who pay any attention to it. Anyone with a view differing from someone else's is usually shot down in flames by the same couple of people and get put off going back ever again. any one in particular you were thinking of my good man?
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Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Feb 23, 2016 20:56:04 GMT
No, no. At least not now they're on this forum too.
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Post by Pit Friend on Feb 23, 2016 23:04:04 GMT
Talking about the real life tanks here, which was the better tank do you think? The IS-2. A more interesting comparison would probably be the IS-2 vs the Tiger II, because the IS-2 is kind of better in every way than the Tiger, except for raw rate of fire. (In real life, I'd probably say the IS-2 is also better than the Tiger II because the Tiger II's armour was both overkill, and ineffective (because of material shortages), and 70 ton tanks have much more disadvantages than 45-ton tanks. In an ideal world, like WoT, the Tiger II might be better). One note of the IS-2's 122 is that the gun had to be lowered all the way to be able to fit the shell in. fun fact. This isn't true actually, only the one-piece shell (only trialed) had restricted loading angles. The two piece shells had no such restrictions. The Historical Discussions section on the official forum is a dead place, WG don't care about it, and there's about four people who pay any attention to it. Anyone with a view differing from someone else's is usually shot down in flames by the same couple of people and get put off going back ever again. Yes. But the people like you that kept coming back after being shot down are interesting to read things from. There are things I would make threads on, but I'm concerned about wargaming's opinion on what is off-limits for historical discussion. Considering one of the reasons the IS series of tanks was developed was a response to the Tiger is it wasn't a "better" tank it would be pretty much considered a failure wouldn't you say?
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Saelon
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Post by Saelon on Feb 24, 2016 0:33:52 GMT
Sure? I don't quite know where you're going with this.
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Post by SiNz on Apr 11, 2016 10:00:15 GMT
I'd say the IS. The Russians somehow combined mobility/armour/mass production/simplicity/firepower very VERY well and the IS, especially the IS-2 1944 is a shining example of this.
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Post by Simone on Aug 27, 2016 21:57:49 GMT
Interesting discussion. The answer isn't really that black and white. Which was better? Depends on the circumstances. Tiger crews were better trained and seasoned. The Tiger's original mechanical issues were mostly solved by the time Tiger kompanies encountered the IS-2. The two-piece ammunition of the IS-2 (as already described to solve gun angle issue during reload) resulted in about a 3 rpm rate of fire.
But the reality is either tank could wreck the other, assuming a preloaded gun (with correct AP) and target sighted, also assuming nominal range for each gun.
It was really about the crews. Carius wrote of instances where a shot struck an IS-2 but failed to penetrate, yet the IS-2's crew bailed out anyway. Experience of the crew was a major factor in any engagement.
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