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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 16:33:35 GMT
I was talking to some people in the anime club on the wot forum about Goblin Slayer. Someone mentioned that it was going the harem route. It does seem like several girls admire him, but I was under the impression he'd always be too busy with eradicating goblins to be involved with any of them. My understanding of what a harem is may also be wrong when it comes to anime. Some of them in the club have given answers that seem correct, but other times I think they're just making crap up. I just wanted to understand if it really is considered a harem in Goblin Slayer if he's not acting romantically with any of them? From my perspective a harem is not the same thing as a few girls liking the same guy. Generally when referencing a harem in anime, it goes something like this: Multiple girls are pining after a single boy, who almost always is the main character, where he is made as generic as possible to allow for self-insert fantasies. The boy is generally oblivious of the feelings of the girls around him, and the girls each usually fall into a single trope. Tsundere, yandere, imouto, onee-chan etc. Derpy will probably have more insight into this, as I've not read the source material, but I don't think Goblin Slayer is supposed to be that type of show. He has the oblivious factor, but it's not because he's dense, he genuinely doesn't care about a romantic relationship and just want's to slay some fucking goblins. A harem anime doesn't have to focus on the romantic relationships either, as shows like Sword Art Online for example have an overarching story it's trying to tell, but also have 5 girls wanting to bang the main character. If they are genuinely making multiple women pine after him then it could become a similar pseudo-harem show. I haven't seen the newest episode, so all I've seen so far is the elf girl having a new respect for him after killing the ogre, and the priestess has an admiration/maybe crush? on him. Plus, y'know, childhood friend cow-girl is there kinda, though she seems to pity him rather than like him. Now I'm gonna have to look up all those tropes because I haven't got a clue what that all means. Lol. I don't want to be crude so hopefully it won't come out that way. I just thought a harem was where they're all having a physical relationship with someone or at the very least they're all interacting in a romantic sort of way with the same person. That's why I was confused because I haven't seen that and from what I've read about how the story goes, I assume it stays that way. To me, if they're all admiring him or even pining after him to be their man, it wouldn't be the same as that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 16:47:36 GMT
That was pretty funny. 😂
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Post by DerailedWingnut on Nov 9, 2018 16:47:39 GMT
Generally when referencing a harem in anime, it goes something like this: Multiple girls are pining after a single boy, who almost always is the main character, where he is made as generic as possible to allow for self-insert fantasies. The boy is generally oblivious of the feelings of the girls around him, and the girls each usually fall into a single trope. Tsundere, yandere, imouto, onee-chan etc. Derpy will probably have more insight into this, as I've not read the source material, but I don't think Goblin Slayer is supposed to be that type of show. He has the oblivious factor, but it's not because he's dense, he genuinely doesn't care about a romantic relationship and just want's to slay some fucking goblins. A harem anime doesn't have to focus on the romantic relationships either, as shows like Sword Art Online for example have an overarching story it's trying to tell, but also have 5 girls wanting to bang the main character. If they are genuinely making multiple women pine after him then it could become a similar pseudo-harem show. I haven't seen the newest episode, so all I've seen so far is the elf girl having a new respect for him after killing the ogre, and the priestess has an admiration/maybe crush? on him. Plus, y'know, childhood friend cow-girl is there kinda, though she seems to pity him rather than like him. Now I'm gonna have to look up all those tropes because I haven't got a clue what that all means. Lol. I don't want to be crude so hopefully it won't come out that way. I just thought a harem was where they're all having a physical relationship with someone or at the very least they're all interacting in a romantic sort of way with the same person. That's why I was confused because I haven't seen that and from what I've read about how the story goes, I assume it stays that way. To me, if they're all admiring him or even pining after him to be their man, it wouldn't be the same as that. If you think of harem in a literal definition yes, they would have to be actually in a relationship. In anime a harem generally just refers to one guy surrounded by many female suitors. Some examples of Harem shows would be Date-A-Live or SAO, and if you want to go into the more ecchi territory there is shows like Testament of Sister New Devil, To Love-Ru, and High School DxD. I wouldn't recommend those last few for you though, unless you want to watch what is basically softcore hentai.
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Post by DerailedWingnut on Nov 14, 2018 18:54:46 GMT
@ladytanker
I know I mentioned it in a previous post, but I recently rewatched it as my treadmill anime so It's back in my head.
I think you'd enjoy Plastic Memories. Next time you're looking for an anime to watch it could be one to consider. It deals with some pretty heavy themes while doing it's best to be lighthearted at times too and provide some humor.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 20:15:56 GMT
@ladytanker I know I mentioned it in a previous post, but I recently rewatched it as my treadmill anime so It's back in my head. I think you'd enjoy Plastic Memories. Next time you're looking for an anime to watch it could be one to consider. It deals with some pretty heavy themes while doing it's best to be lighthearted at times too and provide some humor. I didn't get past the elevator scene where he meets Isla the first time, but I gave it another shot after seeing this. What are you trying to do to me, man? Lol. I don't think I'm gonna make it through this one. Little Nina about tore my heart out. I can't handle that in every episode. It did have quite a few funny parts though.
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Post by DerailedWingnut on Nov 14, 2018 20:20:21 GMT
@ladytanker I know I mentioned it in a previous post, but I recently rewatched it as my treadmill anime so It's back in my head. I think you'd enjoy Plastic Memories. Next time you're looking for an anime to watch it could be one to consider. It deals with some pretty heavy themes while doing it's best to be lighthearted at times too and provide some humor. I didn't get past the elevator scene where he meets Isla the first time, but I gave it another shot after seeing this. What are you trying to do to me, man? Lol. I don't think I'm gonna make it through this one. Little Nina about tore my heart out. I can't handle that in every episode. It did have quite a few funny parts though. You'll probably not get through the whole thing if that was too much for you then, but I think it's a very good show. If you think Nina was bad just wait until you get later on in the series, it doesn't get any easier.
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Post by Corporal Derpy on Nov 15, 2018 1:12:53 GMT
Derpy will probably have more insight into this, as I've not read the source material, but I don't think Goblin Slayer is supposed to be that type of show. He has the oblivious factor, but it's not because he's dense, he genuinely doesn't care about a romantic relationship and just want's to slay some fucking goblins. A harem anime doesn't have to focus on the romantic relationships either, as shows like Sword Art Online for example have an overarching story it's trying to tell, but also have 5 girls wanting to bang the main character. If they are genuinely making multiple women pine after him then it could become a similar pseudo-harem show. I haven't seen the newest episode, so all I've seen so far is the elf girl having a new respect for him after killing the ogre, and the priestess has an admiration/maybe crush? on him. Plus, y'know, childhood friend cow-girl is there kinda, though she seems to pity him rather than like him. Only saw this now but yeah. It's not that Orcbolg is dense, he just genuinely does not have much interest in anything else, especially relationships. That isn't to say he doesn't care about the party he now has effectively, and the anime may have made that almost apparent because I think they also just got rid of the dialogue wherein the Priestess makes it apparent she's used to him because after killing the Ogre, as she puts it, were he to have been solo during it then he would have kept going. Whereas with the party being present and also injured whatnot during the fight, they do leave. So while he does not show it as clear as others, he does care about others. Another bit that I do think the anime touched on is how when asking about the quests and hearing that new adventurers have already taken them up, he asks about their party layout and gauges from that how they might fare with it. It makes it apparent that maybe him showing up and saving the Priestess wasn't just random chance, but that he had heard of them going, didn't weigh their odds as high and took that one over maybe choosing some other Goblin nest to go clear. From my perspective while I don't view the anime highly, I also don't think that they have actually made much effort into making it out as if the lasses are fawning over him and moreso that because of becoming an anime and having many new to it, they are immediately taking it that way. I've even seen people seeming to think that somehow the Mage is one of those infatuated with him despite the fact that she rarely interacts with Orcbolg, she's just able to gauge individuals better than many adventurers even if she can't figure out how to speak properly which is undoubtedly worse when hearing her talk rather than simply reading it from the manga. The Priestess has admiration for him, but also understands his character fairly well for how young she is, he's her saviour. The dude saved her from a life of being used as a Goblin's plaything and then food when they stopped having fun so that isn't surprising and she does ask him in the missing arc to take off his helmet to solve that mystery (though the readers obviously don't see it), but because she also understands his character it's pretty apparent she doesn't have the hots for him cause he has no interest in that. The Elf Archer similarly is just respect but also in a way disdain, she wants him to go on an adventure because she wants to show him what an adventure 'should' be. Not the gruesome shit that happened with the Ogre but actually exploring new regions, having a pleasant time slaying a monster that maybe is just terrorising folks in the region not doing what the goblins did to a fellow elf. Cow girl pities him, she's the closest to a love interest than the Guild Girl but the way that I view it is that she misses the old him, the fellow kid in the village that played with her, grew up together and all that helped by the fact that the last time they saw each other they fought before she left the village. Then the next time they met he's well, so far gone that you could barely say he's the same. So the closest to love it is is that she wants the old him back. Swordmaiden which I'm sure will become yet another viewed as wanting to join his harem has PTSD shockingly enough because of Goblins, so she views him almost as a hero. It's not that she wants to get in bed with the gent but that she wants him to save her from the night terrors, the demons that only she sees and all that. And that surprisingly enough a Silver-Ranked adventurer who excels at killing Goblins is a great beacon of hope for someone like that. Guild Girl is similar to that sort of, but she's actually the only one who's actually in love with the guy and I think some of that just comes from the fact that she is used to seeing new adventurers take on Goblin quests and not return, or more experienced adventurers simply telling her to sod off when asked if they want to take them on because nothing else is available and Goblins are legitimately still a threat, they just don't pay well. She has feelings for him which are apparent with how she acts when she sees him much to Spearman's chagrin and what she does in the missing arc but I doubt she'd ever actually ask him out because like with most of the other lasses that everyone immediately thinks is in this guy's harem, she understands what he is, how insane this person she fancies is. It's almost insulting I'd say that a lot of these people saw these lasses interact with him and instantly got the hots for the dude because hey it's an anime with a male protagonist and a lot of girls that interact with him. Because it kind of throws away the idea that they are capable of thinking themselves and that they just wanna bang the nearest protagonist.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 3:37:17 GMT
I think this is basically how I've been seeing it too.
There is a lot about this show that I like. I like a lot of the characters and Goblin Slayer is my favorite one. I do see him as a type of savior. In the first episode you have a couple of characters trying to defeat this evil using sorcery and martial arts, but this evil needs to be dealt with justly.
One of the things I like about him is that he's not giving attention to women or going after them the way men are often portrayed. He has a cause and is committed to it without wavering. Plus suit of armor.
Then you have Priestess, a girl who has faith, is legitimately afraid, but doing the right and brave thing anyway. I think Priestess cares about him, but like you said I don't think she views him in a romantic way. I think how some of the friendships are being expressed is what love really is.
I'm not very fond of Cowgirl's character. They make her seem weak and not really having much personality, but I can understand that she's probably experienced some trauma due to losing her family and home that has made her seem so sad and despondent. At least that is how I see her. She also seems to have been cast into the stereotypical way of viewing a woman's role. And I think this may be the way that Japanese culture still sees women--I don't know. It's not that I think she shouldn't be helpful or making breakfast and all that, it's just she's not married to him, but they seem to put her in that kind of light as though it's her duty and it might be in her situation because I haven't seen any farm hands or any other women around there.
I am really enjoying the story and the instances of humor and can't wait to read the full story.
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Post by Corporal Derpy on Nov 15, 2018 4:26:24 GMT
I'm not very fond of Cowgirl's character. They make her seem weak and not really having much personality, but I can understand that she's probably experienced some trauma due to losing her family and home that has made her seem so sad and despondent. At least that is how I see her. She also seems to have been cast into the stereotypical way of viewing a woman's role. And I think this may be the way that Japanese culture still sees women--I don't know. It's not that I think she shouldn't be helpful or making breakfast and all that, it's just she's not married to him, but they seem to put her in that kind of light as though it's her duty and it might be in her situation because I haven't seen any farm hands or any other women around there. I am really enjoying the story and the instances of humor and can't wait to read the full story. Cow girl as a whole just seems relatively weak in character, even in the manga I can't say she gets that much to her. With the missing arc she gets some backbone shown for her character but that's about it. While the anime has only had her for like a few scenes and basically been the main show of fan service in it thus far (Because yeah what we really needed to introduce her was show her getting dressed, clearly). She's sorta like what keeps Orcbolg 'grounded' if you would. It's apparent that he does care for her in some way with how he meticulously checks for goblin tracks every single morning when he's there and maybe when he gets back from an adventure too. When he pledges that he will give everything, including himself to the other adventurers so long as they are willing to help him protect her farm from Goblins. Spearman asks him that were to ask him to die, would he do so. And he responds that his death would make someone he cares for sad, and so he couldn't do that, of course referring to her. It isn't him saying that the Goblins would remain a threat if he were gone or anything like that, despite the fact he gauges his equipment based on how bad it would be were Goblins to kill him and take it. The thought that his death would make her sad is why he refuses. In a way, she's kind of like what Swordmaiden wants Orcbolg to be for her.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 14:16:59 GMT
I watched the first episode of Konosuba last night. I'm sure it's funny as a whole, but I think I'll pass on that one. A little too much 'fanny' service.
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Post by Corporal Derpy on Nov 15, 2018 18:03:18 GMT
I watched the first episode of Konosuba last night. I'm sure it's funny as a whole, but I think I'll pass on that one. A little too much 'fanny' service.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 18:06:47 GMT
I watched the first episode of Konosuba last night. I'm sure it's funny as a whole, but I think I'll pass on that one. A little too much 'fanny' service. I'm not sure what that means. Pity?
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Post by DerailedWingnut on Nov 15, 2018 18:19:55 GMT
I watched the first episode of Konosuba last night. I'm sure it's funny as a whole, but I think I'll pass on that one. A little too much 'fanny' service. Everyone knows Wiz is Konosuba's best girl.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 23:34:47 GMT
I should have left my curiosity about that image alone, but you know me. I found the episode and watched it. Now I'm more confused. Lol. It is a little funny though. I thought maybe he was lying against a pillow.
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Post by DerailedWingnut on Nov 15, 2018 23:35:48 GMT
I should have left my curiosity about that image alone, but you know me. I found the episode and watched it. Now I'm more confused. Lol. It is a little funny though. I thought maybe he was lying against a pillow. He is, and it's the best kind of pillow
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:29:27 GMT
Today's episode of Goblin Slayer 😳😢😲🤗ðŸ˜
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Post by DerailedWingnut on Nov 19, 2018 16:23:36 GMT
Today's episode of Goblin Slayer 😳😢😲🤗😠I quite enjoyed it. It's good when a show shows their characters aren't just invincible plot armor juggernauts. I mean, Goblin Slayer isn't going to actually die, but you do see him get basically killed twice now. It shows he's not infallible even when it comes to the one thing he's an expert at, which is goblins, and I thought that was nice.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 16:48:44 GMT
Today's episode of Goblin Slayer 😳😢😲🤗😠I quite enjoyed it. It's good when a show shows their characters aren't just invincible plot armor juggernauts. I mean, Goblin Slayer isn't going to actually die, but you do see him get basically killed twice now. It shows he's not infallible even when it comes to the one thing he's an expert at, which is goblins, and I thought that was nice. I liked it too. It was one of the better episodes I've seen. I about did a happy dance when Goblin Slayer got up when things were looking so grim, got the red eye, and pointed at those goblins. Best moment. It still made me sad to see them hurt so badly.
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Post by Corporal Derpy on Nov 19, 2018 17:14:08 GMT
Today's episode of Goblin Slayer 😳😢😲🤗😠I quite enjoyed it. It's good when a show shows their characters aren't just invincible plot armor juggernauts. I mean, Goblin Slayer isn't going to actually die, but you do see him get basically killed twice now. It shows he's not infallible even when it comes to the one thing he's an expert at, which is goblins, and I thought that was nice. The 'best' part of the episode is the fact that the Priestess makes one mistake, freaks out at seeing Orcbolg get hit and for all they know, immediately killed in the attack. And now people legitimately wish she died in that episode, and otherwise just want her head on a pike for making ONE mistake. Cause how dare the youngest, weakest and most inexperienced member of the party ever fuck up right? That's heresy.
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Post by DerailedWingnut on Nov 19, 2018 18:29:13 GMT
I quite enjoyed it. It's good when a show shows their characters aren't just invincible plot armor juggernauts. I mean, Goblin Slayer isn't going to actually die, but you do see him get basically killed twice now. It shows he's not infallible even when it comes to the one thing he's an expert at, which is goblins, and I thought that was nice. The 'best' part of the episode is the fact that the Priestess makes one mistake, freaks out at seeing Orcbolg get hit and for all they know, immediately killed in the attack. And now people legitimately wish she died in that episode, and otherwise just want her head on a pike for making ONE mistake. Cause how dare the youngest, weakest and most inexperienced member of the party ever fuck up right? That's heresy. Those are probably the same people who sent death threats to Ichigo's VA from Franxx. They also don't seem to understand that Goblin Slayer isn't SAO, and actually shows the grim reality of what a world like that would actually be like. Sure it has isekai undertones with quests, adventurer levels and the like, but it's just a genuine fantasy world, not an MMO. It's supposed to be a grittier fantasy world, not some lovey-dovey generic isekai harem.
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