defiantspurr
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Post by defiantspurr on Jan 28, 2019 9:26:41 GMT
Singling out individuals isn't ever a great way of going about presenting an argument. And more just going on rambling. However it makes sense as far as I see it, that I guess a lot of the White Knights don't seem to understand. Does she entirely deserve it, yes and no. No because of the above, personally attacking someone isn't a good way of presenting your view. But yes in the sense that she is the Community Manager, this is her job. And she doesn't exactly do that very well instead coming across as incredibly closed doors just like almost every other interaction with WGCB. In fact it often comes across as if she's talking down to others, almost as if on purpose. Which isn't exactly what you want the biggest means of communication between Company and Community to be doing. And it appears as if that happens just the same between Company and Community Contributors. Community Manager, Gameplay Expert, Ambassadors. WGCB have failed to reliably interact and maintain and a common ground with the Community for years. How they have handled this situation just continues to make that worse. And when it comes to the actual Core Breach thing. The WoTC Staff appear incredibly understaffed and stretched thin, if I'm not mistaken they had to relocate and toss aside plenty of staff, even filing bankruptcy at one point. So for them to focus their efforts on this and put teams to design all of it as opposed to any of the plethora of options they have to actively start to bring the game back by fixing issues we've had for years, finally having the balls to simply interact with the Community they only view as money bags right now and not putting people to work on a mode that'll last like a week and then insist that it doesn't affect anything is blatant lying and insulting to even know they view people that low. They can insist it doesn't take away from anything else but I mean EA can also say they put in microtransactions for a sense of pride and accomplishment. What a shocker that a company could lie eh? With a team as small as they are now that they have to actively contract moderators for their forums because they don't have the free time to reliably do so in the company itself, this absolutely took time and resources that could have been better spent actively bridging gaps that have remained gaps for far too long. But hey I mean they made a Mech game years ago and it totally isn't the case that almost no one from back then is still with the company itself or was put to work on this. I'm sure Rai was astronomically useful in the designs for the Mechs with all her experience from community managing back then. Or I guess she just already didn't have the free time to answer questions the community she's meant to 'manage' had without being put to work on a joke mode. I agree wholeheartedly about making any complaint to a company personal. It just isn't needed. Additionally, if he did break the NDA then he should have lost his CC status. However, I do have to laugh at those like steamingspunkspanking saying he's lucky he isn't sued. I work daily with extremely large corporate accounts all with signed NDAs. Some of them have broken them and none have resulted in a lawsuit even though they represent far more revenue or potential financial impact than anything the CCs are privy to. It's just another example if keyboard lawyers talking out of their asses.
Now back to the criticism of Raibot. I do believe that both she and Max(thin skin)Chaos are terrible public representatives for WG and should be entirely open to (non-personal) criticism on the forum. It's quite simply their job to take feedback, both positive and negative and communicate/disseminate it to the requisite departments that need to be hearing it. I do certainly think that many times Raibot has outwardly conveyed that dealing with those on the forum is a chore, and Max is even worse, more often than not entirely forgetting that he's not a public player, but instead a WG employee who's dealing with paying customers. I can't say I disagree with anything CloneGuy or RetroJules said in their videos outside of CG getting personal.
I can't see how anyone could say that working on this mech mode did not in some way either take away resources or push back work on the current core game. Unless they hired outside help to do the work while their current full-time staff plugged away on their tasks for the current game.
Yeah, I was never a big fan of the " its not the fault of customer support/liaison, don't be angry at them" argument. It's literally their job to be the company face, and deal with these issues. I do think they might of gotten better recently.. but then I dotn post much over there any more, so maybe it's a lack of contact thing.
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DerailedWingnut
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Post by DerailedWingnut on Jan 28, 2019 22:07:46 GMT
Cloneguy posted an update to his rant video.
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CatSnipah
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Post by CatSnipah on Jan 28, 2019 23:00:52 GMT
And then there's the morally-challenged, ethically corrupt and sexually androgynous TemplarSkunt who is on the warpath against anyone who has a different opinion than her / it. She thinks that she can get her ambassador status back by kissing enough ass.
She's basically annoying and a lying sack of shit to begin with - on top of still blaming me (and a few others) for her having the shortest ambassador stint since the Donald Trump Administration (ROFL - joke - laugh dammit).
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Ron James Dio
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Post by Ron James Dio on Jan 29, 2019 0:06:50 GMT
1984-esque.
Ministry of truth, responsible for lying to the people and altering facts.
WG's Customer Service and community managers, responsible for the suppression of new ideas and complaints.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 0:17:20 GMT
Cloneguy posted an update to his rant video. I'm really confused after watching that now.
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Snorelacks
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Post by Snorelacks on Jan 29, 2019 1:27:29 GMT
Cloneguy posted an update to his rant video. I'm really confused after watching that now. LT...first off...I don't necessarily agree with the way CG singled out Raibot, but he was not wrong in terms of her "selective" interest in things that get said on the forum. And IMO...he was spot on regarding the other points he made.
In terms of his CC status...I think he half suspected he would lose it, and if not I'm sure he knew he was putting it at risk. I don't think he's heartbroken in the least based on his videos and the comments he made in them regarding how there was no influence to be had as a CC anyway.
I'd also say to take a step back and look at those skewering him on the forums and look at their previous posting history. I think you'll find that one of the CCs has his nose so far up WG's ass that it's hard to tell where he stops and WG begins. The other is less fervent. The others bashing him are notorious fanboys and one, Templarknucklehead is always just looking for a reason to be offended so she can argue.
I'd also like to address Steamspunk's comments regarding the seriousness of breaching NDAs and his comment of how lucky CG is that WG isn't suing him. I work with NDAs all the time and they are extremely expensive to defend in court. Very likely far more expensive to defend than any potential loss WG would suffer for having one breached. They are very rarely enforced in court. Steamspunk is just a dillrod.
Lastly, please don't take this the wrong way. I have no intention of this being condescending or insulting, but you really need to "think more critically and think less emotionally". Learn to compartmentalize non-personal issues (such as things you read or watch) from your personal day to day emotional issues (husband, kids, home, etc.) and things won't always be so conflicted. The latter are the things that are really important. The first, not so much.
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kebabsaurus
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Post by kebabsaurus on Jan 29, 2019 10:29:14 GMT
Clone's new video doesnt really add much new, his comments were ignored by Rai until he made a stupid suggestion on purpose (he got a positive response straight away).
Rai gets criticism but unfortunately she is the 'face' of the company so this is to be expected. Personally I think she is borderline incompetent but that is me. The ass kissing by the usual suspects is simply sad.
A lot of the issues could be sorted by decent communication - road map for example being one easy fix. They dont even have to go beyond 6 months, 12 at most with the caveat that things may change.
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El Materdor43
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Post by El Materdor43 on Jan 29, 2019 19:54:49 GMT
Let’s be honest about the CC program. If WG did their job properly and stayed engaged with the community, there would be no need for the sycophants to line up to be teachers pets. That program only serves to see which one of those people are the best suck up.
There is zero benefit to the community to have a CC program on the forum, YouTubers and streamers not withstanding.
Edited for having fat fingers and phone to type on
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CatSnipah
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Post by CatSnipah on Jan 30, 2019 0:08:41 GMT
Let’s be honest about the CC program. If WG did their job properly and stayed engaged with the community, there would be no need for the sycophants to line up to be teachers pets. That program only serves to see which one of those people are the best suck up. There is zero benefit to the community to have a CC program on the forum, Yourubers and streamers not withstanding. #TRUTH
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kebabsaurus
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Post by kebabsaurus on Jan 30, 2019 11:42:01 GMT
Let’s be honest about the CC program. If WG did their job properly and stayed engaged with the community, there would be no need for the sycophants to line up to be teachers pets. That program only serves to see which one of those people are the best suck up. There is zero benefit to the community to have a CC program on the forum, Yourubers and streamers not withstanding. #TRUTH Nailed it^
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Mobius Y
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Post by Mobius Y on Feb 15, 2019 18:10:06 GMT
“WG don’t like it when their players say anything negative.”
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RagingxMarmoset
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Post by RagingxMarmoset on Feb 20, 2019 16:14:46 GMT
“WG don’t like it when their players say anything negative.” The console team is especially sensitive to negative feedback.
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DerailedWingnut
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Post by DerailedWingnut on Feb 20, 2019 16:51:12 GMT
“WG don’t like it when their players say anything negative.” The console team is especially sensitive to negative feedback. Even constructive criticism is met with scorn and dismissiveness from the console team.
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Ron James Dio
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Post by Ron James Dio on Feb 21, 2019 8:47:06 GMT
We are all here in this place for the same reason. We hated the hate-mongering, the corruption, the fanboys, bandwagoners, and sycophants. We hated the negative criticism, the false promises, and the lack of compassion for your fellow man, and the blatant disrespect of someone who didn't share your opinion.
We all know that the official forum is a wasteland, a cesspool of negativity and prejudice that corrupts the entire system.
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I AM The Scouting Authority.
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Post by I AM The Scouting Authority. on Feb 21, 2019 19:12:11 GMT
We are all here in this place for the same reason. We hated the hate-mongering, the corruption, the fanboys, bandwagoners, and sycophants. We hated the negative criticism, the false promises, and the lack of compassion for your fellow man, and the blatant disrespect of someone who didn't share your opinion. We all know that the official forum is a wasteland, a cesspool of negativity and prejudice that corrupts the entire system.
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