Atom Priest
Captain
 
Posts: 1,183
Likes: 389
Is R35T a Skreb?: No
Date registered: Feb 14, 2016 0:04:53 GMT
|
Post by Atom Priest on Feb 17, 2016 17:13:08 GMT
Use vents instead. /thread Oh, you really do want to use spall liner? Ugh okay then. What does spall liner do?The primary purpose of spall liner is to reduce the damage you take from HE, and Premium HE shells. HE damage is calculated using this equation(I know maths is boring and all that);  Spall liner increases the spall coefficient, which will reduce the value of the actual damage dealt by HE shells when the calculation ends. Note that it doesn't actually add any armour, so if you have 60mm of side armour, and the HE shell has 60+ penetration, then it will still penetrate dealing its full damage(+-25%, RNG you know). No spall liner gives the spall coefficient a value of 1. A light liner will give a value of 1.2, a medium 1.25, heavy 1.3 and super-heavy 1.5. So lets make up some numbers and plug them in. Sound good? Nah, sounds boring, but whatever. Lets say we give our imaginary tanks 100mm of armour at the front, and they each get shot at by an artillery HE shell with 900 damage and a 4m splash radius, and that it lands 2m away from each of them: - Tank A: 0.5*900*0.5-1.1*100*1=115
- Tank B: 0.5*900*0.5-1.1*100*1.2=93
- Tank C: 0.5*900*0.5-1.1*100*1.25=87.5
- Tank D: 0.5*900*0.5-1.1*100*1.3=82
- Tank E: 0.5*900*0.5-1.1*100*1.5=60
Clearly the super-heavy spall provides the most protection(duh). The other other spall liners do not provide that much protection; its not going to make that much of a difference, though I suppose it might allow you to survive a hit at low health instead of dying.
Spall liner also increases your tanks weight and reduces the amount of damage you take from ramming. This is very useful for specific tanks that have the right attributes; allowing them to use ramming as a primary means of dealing damage. Lastly; spall liner increases crew protection from critical hits. A super-heavy spall liner combined with a Large med kit can help keep crew loss to a minimum. When do you use spall liner?Now this is the problem with using the liner. Its not that the spall liner itself is a bad choice; for one equipment slot you get three decent boosts to your survivability. The trouble lies in that it has stiff competition with much better choices that help you to deal more damage(indirectly anyway). Rammer, vertical stabiliser, Enhanced gun laying drive, vents, optics, binocs and even camo net make for better choices to fill equipment slots than the spall liner. Only a very select few tanks should run spall liner; either because they have the speed+weight to be a ramming tank, or that they have good enough gun handling/view range to not need to equip such pieces. Here is a list of tanks that I think should run spall liner as standard equipment. They are colour coded so that you know if a tank can be used as a ramming tank, or needs spall liner to sponge damage. There are also some tanks where the spall liner is optional, but other choices for equipment should be considered first: - Tier V: Panzer V/IV, KV-220, AT2
- Tier VI: VK 28.01, TOG II*, T-150, AT7, Churchill VII
- Tier VII: Aufklärungspanzer Panther, KV-4, Black Prince
- Tier VIII: KV-5, 8.8 cm Pak 43 Jagdtiger
- Tier IX: E-75, VK 45.02 (p) Ausf B, Tortoise, Jagdtiger, E-50, T95
- Tier X: Maus, E-100, Jagdpanzer E-100, E-50M, G.W. E-100
Spall liner isn't useless and should be used on specific tanks. Feel free to discuss and improve this guide, since I'm not the most knowledgeable player ever.
|
|
ajh387
Corporal
Posts: 111
Likes: 18
Console: Xbox 360 & One
Clan tag: HLCAT
Date registered: Feb 16, 2016 17:36:25 GMT
|
Post by ajh387 on Feb 17, 2016 17:28:06 GMT
Cool write-up. I use it in my PZ5/4 but pretty much every other tank that I have, I feel like the spot could be used for something else instead? Even something like the Jageroo, I can't justify using the spall liner. I wasn't sure how popular that was with the majority of players.
|
|
Atom Priest
Captain
 
Posts: 1,183
Likes: 389
Is R35T a Skreb?: No
Date registered: Feb 14, 2016 0:04:53 GMT
|
Post by Atom Priest on Feb 17, 2016 17:36:34 GMT
Cool write-up. I use it in my PZ5/4 but pretty much every other tank that I have, I feel like the spot could be used for something else instead? Even something like the Jageroo, I can't justify using the spall liner. I wasn't sure how popular that was with the majority of players. The Option is there. I use it on the jagdtiger 88, the V/IV, TOG and the KV-5. I typically find that they need them though. As for the Jagdpanzer, its open to debate. vents would probably win every time since it further boosts the reload speed and the accuracy. However its supposed to be used sort of like a an assault gun, so the slightly better reload and accuracy might be worth trading for better crew protection, ramming, and art protection; since if you roll the front lines with it you are going to be spotted and arty will have a hard-on for you.
|
|
RagingxMarmoset
Captain
 
Potatoe at Arms
Posts: 1,206
Likes: 491
Console: Xbox
Is R35T a Skreb?: Yes
Date registered: Feb 13, 2016 23:24:13 GMT
|
Post by RagingxMarmoset on Feb 17, 2016 17:59:40 GMT
I'd like to add that a T95 with super heavy spall liner, large med kit, and repairs trained is basically immune to artillery. They will have to hit you directly with AP to do any noteworthy damage.
|
|
Atom Priest
Captain
 
Posts: 1,183
Likes: 389
Is R35T a Skreb?: No
Date registered: Feb 14, 2016 0:04:53 GMT
|
Post by Atom Priest on Feb 17, 2016 18:06:45 GMT
I'd like to add that a T95 with super heavy spall liner, large med kit, and repairs trained is basically immune to artillery. They will have to hit you directly with AP to do any noteworthy damage. I wasn't sure about the T95 which is why I didn't include it. Have you seen its engine deck? I've lost count of the amount of T95's I've seen get one-shotted. I'll add it anyway. I mean if an arty shell swings low and lands on the front it does absolutely nothing.
|
|
RagingxMarmoset
Captain
 
Potatoe at Arms
Posts: 1,206
Likes: 491
Console: Xbox
Is R35T a Skreb?: Yes
Date registered: Feb 13, 2016 23:24:13 GMT
|
Post by RagingxMarmoset on Feb 17, 2016 18:10:17 GMT
I guess I should add that this is only through my own experience. I am not able to quantify the real world effects other than, "it was better with than without." In any event, should I revisit the turtle, a super heavy spall liner get equipped immediately.
|
|
Atom Priest
Captain
 
Posts: 1,183
Likes: 389
Is R35T a Skreb?: No
Date registered: Feb 14, 2016 0:04:53 GMT
|
Post by Atom Priest on Feb 17, 2016 18:11:39 GMT
I might change it to a damage soaker then. Its what the tank is anyway.
|
|
Definitely not FledBasher
Lieutenant

Slayer of oversized owls
360 master race. Hit me up for platooning any tier
Posts: 761
Likes: 185
Console: Xbox
Preferred server: East
Clan tag: [HACKS]
Is R35T a Skreb?: Yes
Date registered: Feb 13, 2016 17:37:46 GMT
|
Post by Definitely not FledBasher on Feb 18, 2016 1:13:07 GMT
Why on a tog? Tog had no armor. Spall liner does nothing if you get penned
|
|
heg82
Sergeant

Arctic Meatball
Posts: 459
Likes: 239
Console: Xbox one
Clan tag: [BNKR]
Date registered: Feb 13, 2016 17:00:48 GMT
|
Post by heg82 on Feb 18, 2016 8:37:47 GMT
I think i only use it on the E100.
|
|
Atom Priest
Captain
 
Posts: 1,183
Likes: 389
Is R35T a Skreb?: No
Date registered: Feb 14, 2016 0:04:53 GMT
|
Post by Atom Priest on Feb 18, 2016 12:03:15 GMT
Why on a tog? Tog had no armor. Spall liner does nothing if you get penned Because the TOG is easy to pen, has a crap load of health and can mount super-heavy spall liner I use it to protect the crew from the inevitable puncturing I'm about to take. its also hilarious when some tier IV McNublets think they can ram the party boat. Got a top gun once where a 4-man skreb platoon tried to ram me.
|
|
Definitely not FledBasher
Lieutenant

Slayer of oversized owls
360 master race. Hit me up for platooning any tier
Posts: 761
Likes: 185
Console: Xbox
Preferred server: East
Clan tag: [HACKS]
Is R35T a Skreb?: Yes
Date registered: Feb 13, 2016 17:37:46 GMT
|
Post by Definitely not FledBasher on Feb 18, 2016 13:19:34 GMT
Why on a tog? Tog had no armor. Spall liner does nothing if you get penned Because the TOG is easy to pen, has a crap load of health and can mount super-heavy spall liner I use it to protect the crew from the inevitable puncturing I'm about to take. its also hilarious when some tier IV McNublets think they can ram the party boat. Got a top gun once where a 4-man skreb platoon tried to ram me. Spall liner Doesn't work if the shot pens. It only works for non penetrating shots
|
|
Atom Priest
Captain
 
Posts: 1,183
Likes: 389
Is R35T a Skreb?: No
Date registered: Feb 14, 2016 0:04:53 GMT
|
Post by Atom Priest on Feb 18, 2016 13:24:45 GMT
Because the TOG is easy to pen, has a crap load of health and can mount super-heavy spall liner I use it to protect the crew from the inevitable puncturing I'm about to take. its also hilarious when some tier IV McNublets think they can ram the party boat. Got a top gun once where a 4-man skreb platoon tried to ram me. Spall liner Doesn't work if the shot pens. It only works for non penetrating shots No it doesn't protect against penetrating HE shots, but the ramming protection and the crew protection still apply.
|
|
Definitely not FledBasher
Lieutenant

Slayer of oversized owls
360 master race. Hit me up for platooning any tier
Posts: 761
Likes: 185
Console: Xbox
Preferred server: East
Clan tag: [HACKS]
Is R35T a Skreb?: Yes
Date registered: Feb 13, 2016 17:37:46 GMT
|
Post by Definitely not FledBasher on Feb 18, 2016 15:18:55 GMT
Spall liner Doesn't work if the shot pens. It only works for non penetrating shots No it doesn't protect against penetrating HE shots, but the ramming protection and the crew protection still apply. But it doesnt protect the crew if the shot pens. Tog had no armor. Most HE shots will pen it. Super heavy spall liner makes tog even slower and adds nothing other than splash protection and let's face it....you don't miss a tog.
|
|
Atom Priest
Captain
 
Posts: 1,183
Likes: 389
Is R35T a Skreb?: No
Date registered: Feb 14, 2016 0:04:53 GMT
|
Post by Atom Priest on Feb 18, 2016 15:35:24 GMT
No it doesn't protect against penetrating HE shots, but the ramming protection and the crew protection still apply. But it doesnt protect the crew if the shot pens. Yes it does. Who told you that? We'll have to test this with science!
|
|
Definitely not FledBasher
Lieutenant

Slayer of oversized owls
360 master race. Hit me up for platooning any tier
Posts: 761
Likes: 185
Console: Xbox
Preferred server: East
Clan tag: [HACKS]
Is R35T a Skreb?: Yes
Date registered: Feb 13, 2016 17:37:46 GMT
|
Post by Definitely not FledBasher on Feb 18, 2016 15:37:14 GMT
|
|
bluescrewdriver
Corporal
Posts: 139
Likes: 13
Console: Xbox
Date registered: Feb 20, 2016 3:56:54 GMT
|
Post by bluescrewdriver on Feb 20, 2016 15:43:57 GMT
in this case spall is the small bits of metal that are produced when a shell passes through armour. these small objects fly around inside the tank untill they hit something soft (crew) or cause module damage (ammo rack) a spall liner will catch these small shards before they can do damage.
they do other stuff aswell but there main job is after pen crew proction, he or ap dont matter but as he is explosive the damage from spall is much higher so the liner works better V's he.
|
|
Killer D~N~A
Corporal
Posts: 110
Likes: 19
Console: Xbox 360
Clan tag: LIGHT
Date registered: Sept 6, 2016 21:55:10 GMT
|
Post by Killer D~N~A on Sept 7, 2016 17:42:04 GMT
yes I like the spall liner but do wish it was a bit more effective. A got a buddy that uses his on his IS7 and other heavy tanks and I often times see him get smacked over and over by arty and he's left with minimal health. Also great for deathstars and such too because HE spam in higher tiers can be effective.
Spall liner is a survivability equipment. Honestly feel that if team play was more prevalent then it would be a better option than selfish slots such as rammer or optics. If everyone on your team focused on winning and not their own personal goals then this game could be played so much better but alas, that will never ever happen.
I use one on my GwE-100 and it's a nice wet dream when someone rams me lol. Back in the day so many people would ram my Gdubs that I got a triple kill at the end of oe match before I died major lolz. of course I have controlled impact too!
Great for ramming things downhill lemme tell ya. on match on sandstorm a 110E5 came around and shot one aty so I barreled down south arty hill and shot-rammed him for over half his health. I took like 50 damage. Also had a couple death from aboves in it I mean major lolz in this thing. Too bad it's performance and stuff is very below average.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Likes:
Date registered: Dec 1, 2023 2:28:40 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 18:06:33 GMT
Only tanks I have with a spall liner on are the T-127 (ramming), 220-2 (ramming and "eat a dick artillery"), and the Tog 2 (see the 220-2).
|
|
Simone
Corporal
Posts: 123
Likes: 38
Console: Xbox
Preferred server: East
Clan tag: [BNKR]
Is R35T a Skreb?: Yes
Date registered: Aug 22, 2016 21:25:38 GMT
|
Post by Simone on Sept 9, 2016 23:54:59 GMT
The only tank on which I've equipped a spall liner (Super Heavy) is the T110E3 (because it's such an arty magnet). Do you think that slot is better served with something else? Think I have gun rammer, vents and SH spall liner, can't check right now.
|
|
google the picture using Bing
Corporal
Make America Great Again!
Posts: 190
Likes: 131
Console: Xbox 360 & One
Preferred server: East
Is R35T a Skreb?: Yes
Date registered: Feb 13, 2016 19:31:25 GMT
|
Post by google the picture using Bing on Sept 10, 2016 10:48:13 GMT
The only tank on which I've equipped a spall liner (Super Heavy) is the T110E3 (because it's such an arty magnet). Do you think that slot is better served with something else? Think I have gun rammer, vents and SH spall liner, can't check right now. GLD or Optics would be better, but Spall Liner isn't a terrible choice on the E3.
|
|