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Post by imhidingshh on Jan 3, 2017 20:36:30 GMT
They're lowering the price of them before we get the rest of our Carrier ones i think, saw something on FB about it earlier. You'd want a discount after the bloody debacle the whole damned thing's been, eh? Still, at least we're buying those new Poseidons to replace the Nimrod. I mean, it'll only have been six years we've been without a maritime reconnaissance aircraft, what's so bad about that? We didn't really need them until now, the Russians never really had anything they can see anymore. Most of the Russian fleet is obsolete except the new Boats, and we can still track them fine with the Astute class. The newish T45 can take out the entire Argentianan Airforce before they can see them, so the Russians should be ok to hold back. Well, when they've fixed the engines, but it's not too hot there so they should be good.
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Post by SpartacusDiablo on Jan 3, 2017 20:37:36 GMT
Read the fine print on some the pricing. I've seen a couple of articles where they are pricing the jet...without an engine. Who the hell buys a jet without an engine? People without carrier aircraft... We could probably make our own engine anyway, RR do excellent engines. That's true. I think RR is already making the lift fan.
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Post by imhidingshh on Jan 3, 2017 20:37:57 GMT
They're lowering the price of them before we get the rest of our Carrier ones i think, saw something on FB about it earlier. Read the fine print on some the pricing. I've seen a couple of articles where they are pricing the jet...without an engine. Who the hell buys a jet without an engine? Rolls Royce produce a superior engine to the Americans so it makes sense, otherwise we'd have to get them to maintain them too.
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Jan 3, 2017 20:41:27 GMT
You'd want a discount after the bloody debacle the whole damned thing's been, eh? Still, at least we're buying those new Poseidons to replace the Nimrod. I mean, it'll only have been six years we've been without a maritime reconnaissance aircraft, what's so bad about that? We didn't really need them until now, the Russians never really had anything they can see anymore. Most of the Russian fleet is obsolete except the new Boats, and we can still track them fine with the Astute class. The newish T45 can take out the entire Argentianan Airforce before they can see them, so the Russians should be ok to hold back. Well, when they've fixed the engines, but it's not too hot there so they should be good. Well, the Type 45 is the best air defence destroyer in the world, and the Argie air force is fucking shit, so that's no surprise.
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Post by imhidingshh on Jan 3, 2017 20:44:11 GMT
We didn't really need them until now, the Russians never really had anything they can see anymore. Most of the Russian fleet is obsolete except the new Boats, and we can still track them fine with the Astute class. The newish T45 can take out the entire Argentianan Airforce before they can see them, so the Russians should be ok to hold back. Well, when they've fixed the engines, but it's not too hot there so they should be good. Well, the Type 45 is the best air defence destroyer in the world, and the Argie air force is fucking shit, so that's no surprise. I don't actually think the Argies have an Air Force anymore, we asked one of the North African Countries not to sell them any of their old MiGs and they've only got about 5 air worthy. Though not any decent Air Force airworthy.
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Post by SpartacusDiablo on Jan 3, 2017 20:53:05 GMT
Read the fine print on some the pricing. I've seen a couple of articles where they are pricing the jet...without an engine. Who the hell buys a jet without an engine? Rolls Royce produce a superior engine to the Americans so it makes sense, otherwise we'd have to get them to maintain them too. I'm not going to get into who makes the better engine. I'm just saying that it's somewhat deceptive to suddenly start pricing your fighter for less money (without an engine) when you are getting nailed in the press over the cost of the aircraft. Besides I think we can all agree that in terms of engine performance it goes some thing like this. GE > RR > PW. I'm not kidding either. The engine that GE made for the ATF was unbelievable. I believe it was called the F120. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_YF120
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Post by I AM The Scouting Authority. on Jan 3, 2017 21:32:50 GMT
Read the fine print on some the pricing. I've seen a couple of articles where they are pricing the jet...without an engine. Who the hell buys a jet without an engine? People without carrier aircraft... We could probably make our own engine anyway, RR do excellent engines. EuroJet EJ200. Dispense with the VTOL. Put some power in there and away it goes.
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Post by imhidingshh on Jan 3, 2017 21:36:23 GMT
People without carrier aircraft... We could probably make our own engine anyway, RR do excellent engines. EuroJet EJ200. Dispense with the VTOL. Put some power in there and away it goes. We need the VTOL for the Carrier aircraft.
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Post by SpartacusDiablo on Jan 3, 2017 21:43:13 GMT
EuroJet EJ200. Dispense with the VTOL. Put some power in there and away it goes. We need the VTOL for the Carrier aircraft. You guys should just start building adult size aircraft carriers again.
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Jan 3, 2017 21:47:12 GMT
We need the VTOL for the Carrier aircraft. You guys should just start building adult size aircraft carriers again. We are doing. The Queen Elizabeth-class is the largest class of ship ever constructed for the Royal Navy. And the RN has sailed some pretty fucking huge ships.
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Post by SpartacusDiablo on Jan 3, 2017 21:53:12 GMT
You guys should just start building adult size aircraft carriers again. We are doing. The Queen Elizabeth-class is the largest class of ship ever constructed for the Royal Navy. And the RN has sailed some pretty fucking huge ships. How does it compare to a Nimitz or Gerald Ford class.
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Post by imhidingshh on Jan 3, 2017 21:57:47 GMT
We need the VTOL for the Carrier aircraft. You guys should just start building adult size aircraft carriers again. The new Carriers can sail with 60 F35's on a war load out, but we'll usually run with 18 I think. Pretty sure ours are just as big as yours but with only about 600 sailors manning them. And with the 18 we will also have Apache's, Merlin's and a shit load of Marines with all their gear. The only thing that didn't make sense to me was not making it nuclear powered.
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Post by imhidingshh on Jan 3, 2017 22:00:03 GMT
We are doing. The Queen Elizabeth-class is the largest class of ship ever constructed for the Royal Navy. And the RN has sailed some pretty fucking huge ships. How does it compare to a Nimitz or Gerald Ford class. Close to the same size, it's more efficient though (except for fuel) uk.pinterest.com/pin/523754631635862910/
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Jan 3, 2017 22:03:15 GMT
We are doing. The Queen Elizabeth-class is the largest class of ship ever constructed for the Royal Navy. And the RN has sailed some pretty fucking huge ships. How does it compare to a Nimitz or Gerald Ford class. Pretty close, there's not much in it: Ford/Nimitz on the far left, Queen Elizabeth next to it. So, second biggest in the world. Making both the Nimitz and Ford, and Queen Elizabeth the only carriers to be considered "supercarriers" (that are in service).
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Post by imhidingshh on Jan 3, 2017 22:05:09 GMT
How does it compare to a Nimitz or Gerald Ford class. Pretty close, there's not much in it: Ford/Nimitz on the far left, Queen Elizabeth next to it. So, second biggest in the world. It's changed since that pic, we've got a ski jump at the front now so they can take off with a heavier payload.
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Post by Vince Cable's Exotic Spresm on Jan 3, 2017 22:07:18 GMT
Pretty close, there's not much in it: Ford/Nimitz on the far left, Queen Elizabeth next to it. So, second biggest in the world. It's changed since that pic, we've got a ski jump at the front now so they can take off with a heavier payload. Cool.
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Post by I AM The Scouting Authority. on Jan 3, 2017 22:12:11 GMT
EuroJet EJ200. Dispense with the VTOL. Put some power in there and away it goes. We need the VTOL for the Carrier aircraft. No we dont. Its expensive,heavy and shortens the life of the airframe not to mention it is only used for landing occassionally. And the QE Class are reportedly wire equipped. It makes it obsolete.
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Post by imhidingshh on Jan 3, 2017 22:19:13 GMT
We need the VTOL for the Carrier aircraft. No we dont. Its expensive,heavy and shortens the life of the airframe not to mention it is only used for landing occassionally. And the QE Class are reportedly wire equipped. It makes it obsolete. The QE class aren't wire equipped, there was a discussion about changing them to have wires because the dickheads ordered the wrong planes. Turned out it would cost more to change the carriers than cancel the order and get different planes so they went and did cancelled the order, at a cost of millions.
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Post by I AM The Scouting Authority. on Jan 3, 2017 22:20:31 GMT
No we dont. Its expensive,heavy and shortens the life of the airframe not to mention it is only used for landing occassionally. And the QE Class are reportedly wire equipped. It makes it obsolete. The QE class aren't wire equipped, there was a discussion about changing them to have wires because the dickheads ordered the wrong planes. Turned out it would cost more to change the carriers than cancel the order and get different planes so they went and did cancelled the order, at a cost of millions. Got to love the Oxbridge Set who supposedly know what we need
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Post by imhidingshh on Jan 3, 2017 22:23:50 GMT
The QE class aren't wire equipped, there was a discussion about changing them to have wires because the dickheads ordered the wrong planes. Turned out it would cost more to change the carriers than cancel the order and get different planes so they went and did cancelled the order, at a cost of millions. Got to love the Oxbridge Set who supposedly know what we need Yeah, the Country wouldn't be in debt if those Thunderc**ts didn't keep fucking up.
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